good idea but to late

i think that were you to renumber the rutes now would cause a lot of
problems...had it been done from the early days....1910's..and stuck to .......

In article ,
(Bob WWood) wrote:

"Graham J" wrote in message
...

I defer to those who know what they are talking about but I think
there were at least some basic rules. For example 1-99 were routes
that orginated in central London, 2xx were once single deckers

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the 83 has ever gone
anywhere near Central London, and the 207 wasn't a single decker -
it was the old 607 trolley.

The 2xx for single deck routes was abandoned when the Trolleybus
conversion programme got into full swing and many replacement routes were
given 2xx numbers. This was when the number of single deck routes had
declined anyway.

AFAIK there never were any subdivisions within 1-199. Trolleybuses were
500-699 and Green Line 7xx. Many routes go back to re-LT numbers, with
trolleybus routes being previously xx tram routes, e.g. the (LUT) 7 tram
became the 607 trolley which became the 207 bus.

The biggest difference since the 1960s is the almost complete abolition of
routes with suffix letters, e.g. 77A, one of the few left. At one time
there was a 77C.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Henry) wrote:

Will be interesting to see if anyone else comes up with anything
agreeing or otherwise.

Agree - and further to that 5xx and 6xx were trolleybuses, 7xx
Green Line coaches, latterly 8xx some New Town routes (Stevenage
etc.), I think.


--
Peter Beale

In article , (Bob WWood) wrote:

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the 83 has ever gone
anywhere near Central London,

Similarly 51/A/B/C and 61 which ran from Eltham, and probably others.

and the 207 wasn't a single decker -
it was the old 607 trolley.

The 2** = single-decker system broke down around that time - first one
I remember was the 229, a new route in the 1950s.

--
Peter Beale

In article , (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

AFAIK there never were any subdivisions within 1-199. Trolleybuses
were 500-699 and Green Line 7xx.

Was there ever a trolleybus lower than 513? 500 was the first Red Arrow,
but that was much later.

Many routes go back to re-LT
numbers, with trolleybus routes being previously xx tram routes, e.g.
the (LUT) 7 tram became the 607 trolley which became the 207 bus.

And the 96 tram became the 696 trolley which became the 96 bus.

--
Peter Beale

In article , (Graham J) wrote:

The top fifteen or twenty numbers or thereabouts in the
2xx range were once night buses before the N prefix came in.

285-292, 294-298 (also 168, and Inter-Station Buses and some
trolleybuses) in my 1959 map.

--
Peter Beale

"Proctor46" wrote in message
...
good idea but to late

i think that were you to renumber the rutes now would cause a lot of
problems...had it been done from the early days....1910's..and stuck to
........

I was not making any such suggestion, as my original post makes clear, it
was mere curiosity as to the origins of the system - nothing more than that.

Please do not imply things that are not there - I have no hidden agenda.

Please do not imply things that are not there - I have no hidden agenda.


no....i was thinking it though.....i think your right ....but this is not
Switzerland. sence...but

"Proctor46" wrote in message
...


Please do not imply things that are not there - I have no hidden agenda.


no....i was thinking it though.....i think your right ....but this is not
Switzerland. sence...but

Sorry, not following you. What have London bus route numbers got to do with
Switzerland?

In message , Peter
Beale writes
And the 96 tram became the 696 trolley which became the 96 bus.

One of the longest lived must be the 7 tram which begat the 607
trolleybus which begat the 207 motorbus which now has a 607 express
variant......

I read somewhere not too long ago (and I can't for the life of me
remember where) that the 24 is the oldest unaltered bus route in London,
which certainly seems pretty likely.

--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk