On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:46:26 +0100, Clive Page wrote:

What I wonder is how do they work it out for journeys which one can do
in any of three ways (TfL only, NR only, and both) where there is only a
common gate-line at each end, for example Farringdon to Kentish Town?

In that case it doesn't matter, it is an "interavailable" route and
each operator's tickets are valid on the other (this applies between
West Hampstead and London Bridge or Elephant).

In all cases, the Oyster/contactless fare is whatever it says on:
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...le-fare-finder

....which is £2.90 peak, £2.40 off-peak. The TfL cash fare is £4.90
and it seems from brfares.com that the NR cash fare is £3.30.

Richard.

In message , at 23:17:00 on
Thu, 9 Jun 2016, Richard remarked:

What I wonder is how do they work it out for journeys which one can do
in any of three ways (TfL only, NR only, and both) where there is only a
common gate-line at each end, for example Farringdon to Kentish Town?

In that case it doesn't matter, it is an "interavailable" route and
each operator's tickets are valid on the other (this applies between
West Hampstead and London Bridge or Elephant).

Depends what you re trying to work out. If it's how much you put up the
interavailable fare after NR has had an annual increase (but the TfL
element is frozen) then there's only three choices:

Put it up (breaks Kahn's )
Freeze it and tell NR to suck up the inflation element.
Freeze it, pay NR an inflation rise on its proportion of the fare basket
for that flow, and reduce the TfL income.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:17:00 on
Thu, 9 Jun 2016, Richard remarked:

What I wonder is how do they work it out for journeys which one can do
in any of three ways (TfL only, NR only, and both) where there is only a
common gate-line at each end, for example Farringdon to Kentish Town?

In that case it doesn't matter, it is an "interavailable" route and
each operator's tickets are valid on the other (this applies between
West Hampstead and London Bridge or Elephant).

Depends what you re trying to work out. If it's how much you put up the
interavailable fare after NR has had an annual increase (but the TfL
element is frozen) then there's only three choices:

Put it up (breaks Kahn's )
Freeze it and tell NR to suck up the inflation element.
Freeze it, pay NR an inflation rise on its proportion of the fare basket
for that flow, and reduce the TfL income.

Did Sadiq ever promise to freeze all fares or only TfL fares? Surely only
the latter, in which case he won't be breaking his promise. He's a lawyer,
so I can't believe he'd promise to freeze something he had no control over.

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 07:08:14 on Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Recliner
remarked:
What I wonder is how do they work it out for journeys which one can do
in any of three ways (TfL only, NR only, and both) where there is only a
common gate-line at each end, for example Farringdon to Kentish Town?

In that case it doesn't matter, it is an "interavailable" route and
each operator's tickets are valid on the other (this applies between
West Hampstead and London Bridge or Elephant).

Depends what you re trying to work out. If it's how much you put up the
interavailable fare after NR has had an annual increase (but the TfL
element is frozen) then there's only three choices:

Put it up (breaks Kahn's )
Freeze it and tell NR to suck up the inflation element.
Freeze it, pay NR an inflation rise on its proportion of the fare basket
for that flow, and reduce the TfL income.

Did Sadiq ever promise to freeze all fares or only TfL fares?

Most people would think a fare from Farringdon to Kentish Town charged
to their Oyster is included, as they would also expect travelcards
within the zones to be covered by the pledge.

Surely only
the latter, in which case he won't be breaking his promise. He's a lawyer,
so I can't believe he'd promise to freeze something he had no control over.

He stuck his neck out by saying "no ifs no buts".

His actual words were, apparently "Londoners won't pay a penny more for
their travel in 2020 than they do today."
--
Roland Perry

On 10/06/2016 08:08, Recliner wrote:
snip
Did Sadiq ever promise to freeze all fares or only TfL fares? Surely only
the latter, in which case he won't be breaking his promise. He's a lawyer,
so I can't believe he'd promise to freeze something he had no control over.



He is now a politician who I think used politicians' rather than
lawyers' tricks. First, he stood on a manifesto which included what
many people took as a "promise" but was only one of his "priorities", so
he has a bit of wriggle room there. Second, he can always play the "when
we saw the books..." and "we found Boris had left an even bigger
mess..." cards. But third and above all else he can just ignore it:
he's in now for 4 years;and he can count on the fact that most voters
won't care come 2020. (I know Nick Clegg showed that broken promises can
harm your chances but he worked really, really hard at it for 5 years.)

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:04:26 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
-sept
ember.org, at 07:08:14 on Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Recliner
Surely only
the latter, in which case he won't be breaking his promise. He's a lawyer,
so I can't believe he'd promise to freeze something he had no control over.

He stuck his neck out by saying "no ifs no buts".

His actual words were, apparently "Londoners won't pay a penny more for
their travel in 2020 than they do today."

Sadqi Kahn lied? Say it ain't so! The man is a slimey little weasel. His career
history would have told anyone that but still people voted for him. Well suck
it up london.

I wonder if Hogan Howe has to hold his nose when he's in the same room as him
given his persistent targeting of the police with spurious cases and his
representation of Ali Desai.

--
Spud

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
-sept
ember.org, at 07:08:14 on Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Recliner
remarked:
What I wonder is how do they work it out for journeys which one can do
in any of three ways (TfL only, NR only, and both) where there is only
a
common gate-line at each end, for example Farringdon to Kentish Town?

In that case it doesn't matter, it is an "interavailable" route and
each operator's tickets are valid on the other (this applies between
West Hampstead and London Bridge or Elephant).

Depends what you re trying to work out. If it's how much you put up the
interavailable fare after NR has had an annual increase (but the TfL
element is frozen) then there's only three choices:

Put it up (breaks Kahn's )
Freeze it and tell NR to suck up the inflation element.
Freeze it, pay NR an inflation rise on its proportion of the fare basket
for that flow, and reduce the TfL income.

Did Sadiq ever promise to freeze all fares or only TfL fares?

Most people would think a fare from Farringdon to Kentish Town charged to
their Oyster is included, as they would also expect travelcards within the
zones to be covered by the pledge.

Surely only
the latter, in which case he won't be breaking his promise. He's a lawyer,
so I can't believe he'd promise to freeze something he had no control
over.

He stuck his neck out by saying "no ifs no buts".

His actual words were, apparently "Londoners won't pay a penny more for
their travel in 2020 than they do today."

Oh

"Londoners won't ..."

Does that mean that visitors (including those from the rest of Britain)
will?

tim



--
Roland Perry

In message , at 13:05:11 on Fri, 10 Jun 2016,
tim... remarked:

His actual words were, apparently "Londoners won't pay a penny more
for their travel in 2020 than they do today."

Oh

"Londoners won't ..."

Does that mean that visitors (including those from the rest of Britain)
will?

As it would be unlikely he was promising to freeze the cost of
outboundary travelcards, those who buy inboundary ones are probably
mainly "Londoners".
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 13:05:11 on Fri, 10 Jun 2016,
tim... remarked:

His actual words were, apparently "Londoners won't pay a penny more for
their travel in 2020 than they do today."

Oh

"Londoners won't ..."

Does that mean that visitors (including those from the rest of Britain)
will?

As it would be unlikely he was promising to freeze the cost of outboundary
travelcards, those who buy inboundary ones are probably mainly
"Londoners".

I was more thinking of putting up the non-oyster fares

tim

Roland Perry writes:

In message , at 13:05:11 on Fri, 10 Jun
2016, tim... remarked:

His actual words were, apparently "Londoners won't pay a penny more
for their travel in 2020 than they do today."

Oh

"Londoners won't ..."

Does that mean that visitors (including those from the rest of
Britain) will?

As it would be unlikely he was promising to freeze the cost of
outboundary travelcards, those who buy inboundary ones are probably
mainly "Londoners".

Though if the cost of outboundary travelcards increases too much it
could become cheaper to get a 'London Terminals' and use Oyster within
London. More likely to happen if you stay within zones 1&2 or only
travel on busses and trams.