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In message , at 14:30:06 on Sun, 14 Jul
2019, tim... remarked: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 11:11:38 on Sun, 14 Jul 2019, tim... remarked: Then there's a few phones which need a "5v" SIM, and don't work with a 3v one. Those SIMs are getting harder to find (some say that it's only Pound-shop Orange SIMs these days, Thinks why would someone pay even as much as a pound for a SIM? Because that's what the shops charge, Is it. Higher than I have seen, 50p earlier this week (forget where) 99p is a common price, although Sainsbury's is sticking to £1: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp/...groceries/home /sim-cards and stealing them is a crime. Yes, very funny I've paid as little as 1P for a SIM in Tesco, and both I and the checkout assistant were surprised (the shelf was marked 99p) My last one was sent to me for free Some of the networks will send a free SIM as a marketing exercise, it's unlikely you'll get a retailer to send you a free one. But they've been trained to believe what the till tells them. That came with some free data for the first month, so not merely a bit of plastic needing topping up. I think my free one came with some credit. AIH that was worthless to me as I only need it to convert a full sized SIM into a nano SIM. Sainsbury's Mobile used to have some offers (their project flopped and they did desperate stuff to try to kick start it). They didn't do anything differently to others trying to enter the market Their main difference was self-service handsets on the regular shelves. Tesco went for shop-in-a-shop, as did CPW in PC World and Best Buy. their problem was they came to the market too late Not especially, also considering Tesco was in turmoil after moving providers from Vodafone to O2. But their demographic was wrong for a pure PAYG product. -- Roland Perry |
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On 14/07/2019 12:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:55:16 on Sun, 14 Jul 2019, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:21:37 on Sun, 14 Jul 2019, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:29:56 on Sun, 14 Jul One of the reasons for having a Virgin second-SIM is it authenticates Virgin wifi (for those also not on Virgin Cable) on the phone. https://www.virginmedia.com/help/vir...ect-to-london- underground I'm on Virgin Mobile, partly for that reason, and find that it generally fails to connect to the LU hot spots. It's supposed to connect automatically, but seldom does. I think you need the Virgin "wifi-buddy" app running on the phone, but it's a long time since I tried connecting. Hoho, it's now called "Virgin Media Connect", and is one of those Marmite apps with a predominance of 5* and 1* ratings. It's entirely possible the 1* ratings are because of some fundamental incompatibility issues, rather than fat-fingered users. I do have the app, but it still doesn't work properly. I might not be using it correctly, of course, but I'm sure it (or the predecessor app) did work. I don't really have much need for it, as I'm not usually waiting long enough in deep Tube stations to be able to use it. And I don't know of a way of sending and receiving texts via station WiFi. You'd need a phone and account which had "wifi calling", which might not exist in a combination useful to you. Needs Android 5, apparently, which is why it's not on my phone any more. I'm on Android 9. Oh, the irony; the reason I bought and am sticking with that phone (dual-SIM) is the very reason I can't use the second SIM slot for this. My Android 9 phone is dual sim. Active, standby or hybrid? Maybe the Virgin trick doesn't work on a standby basis, and all the hybrid I've seen today are also standby. If I add in my requirement for a replaceable battery, 32GB, active dual-SIM, I think that narrows the field to zero. Accepting a hybrid dual-SIM doesn't help, unfortunately (with 32GB, I probably wouldn't need an SD card). Many of the OnePlus handsets are dual SIM and have been for several years. Both SIMs are active in terms of calls and SMS, 1both can do 2G-4G. You have an easy toggle to switch which one is currently used for data. No replaceable battery though. |
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On 14/07/2019 14:23, Clank wrote:
"tim..." Wrote in message: Engineers didn't like creating designs for these ever smaller SIMs. It was a real PITA. But it was what Marketing wanted Nonsense! We wanted to create smaller, better, cooler handsets just as much as "marketing" - and the ridiculous credit-card sized SIM was a major barrier to that. whereupon inserting the SIM was changed to require removing the IIRC for the the phone that I had that took a full credit card size SIM you still had to fit it in under the battery Indeed, and this was always a feature rather than a bug - it meant we could confidently design the software stack to assume the SIM it booted up with would never change (for as long as it was running.) This mattered when you were coding for a 68k derivative with memory measured in peanuts, and every byte counted... Which was a mistake as SIMs can be changed in other ways that doesn't involve physically changing the SIMs... |
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In message , at 13:57:27 on Tue, 16 Jul
2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: My Android 9 phone is dual sim. Active, standby or hybrid? Maybe the Virgin trick doesn't work on a standby basis, and all the hybrid I've seen today are also standby. If I add in my requirement for a replaceable battery, 32GB, active dual-SIM, I think that narrows the field to zero. Accepting a hybrid dual-SIM doesn't help, unfortunately (with 32GB, I probably wouldn't need an SD card). Many of the OnePlus handsets are dual SIM and have been for several years. Both SIMs are active in terms of calls and SMS, 1both can do 2G-4G. You have an easy toggle to switch which one is currently used for data. No replaceable battery though. Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But they are about three times as much as I'd want to spend. -- Roland Perry |
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On 16/07/2019 15:00, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:57:27 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: My Android 9 phone is dual sim. Â*Active, standby or hybrid? Maybe the Virgin trick doesn't work on a standby basis, and all the hybrid I've seen today are also standby. Â*If I add in my requirement for a replaceable battery, 32GB, active dual-SIM, I think that narrows the field to zero. Â*Accepting a hybrid dual-SIM doesn't help, unfortunately (with 32GB, IÂ* probably wouldn't need an SD card). Many of the OnePlus handsets are dual SIM and have been for several years.Â* Both SIMs are active in terms of calls and SMS,Â* 1both can do 2G-4G.Â*Â* You have an easy toggle to switch which one is currently used for data.Â* No replaceable battery though. Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But they are about three times as much as I'd want to spend. So the budget is around £200? The OnePlus stuff is good value but admittedly not cheap anymore (ie for £600 you get what you'd pay maybe £800-£900 for a Samsung or similar). What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. |
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In message , at 15:49:03 on Tue, 16 Jul
2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: On 16/07/2019 15:00, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:57:27 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: My Android 9 phone is dual sim. *Active, standby or hybrid? Maybe the Virgin trick doesn't work on a standby basis, and all the hybrid I've seen today are also standby. *If I add in my requirement for a replaceable battery, 32GB, active dual-SIM, I think that narrows the field to zero. *Accepting a hybrid dual-SIM doesn't help, unfortunately (with 32GB, I* probably wouldn't need an SD card). Many of the OnePlus handsets are dual SIM and have been for several years.* Both SIMs are active in terms of calls and SMS,* 1both can do 2G-4G.** You have an easy toggle to switch which one is currently used for data.* No replaceable battery though. Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But they are about three times as much as I'd want to spend. So the budget is around £200? More like £150. The OnePlus stuff is good value but admittedly not cheap anymore (ie for £600 you get what you'd pay maybe £800-£900 for a Samsung or similar). I'd never pay that for a Samsung (or anything else). Having said that, I've got a locked 8GB Samsung J3 here for a project, and if the client paid more than £100 for that, they were robbed! What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? -- Roland Perry |
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:49:55 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 15:49:03 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: On 16/07/2019 15:00, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:57:27 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: My Android 9 phone is dual sim. *Active, standby or hybrid? Maybe the Virgin trick doesn't work on a standby basis, and all the hybrid I've seen today are also standby. *If I add in my requirement for a replaceable battery, 32GB, active dual-SIM, I think that narrows the field to zero. *Accepting a hybrid dual-SIM doesn't help, unfortunately (with 32GB, I* probably wouldn't need an SD card). Many of the OnePlus handsets are dual SIM and have been for several years.* Both SIMs are active in terms of calls and SMS,* 1both can do 2G-4G.** You have an easy toggle to switch which one is currently used for data.* No replaceable battery though. Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But they are about three times as much as I'd want to spend. So the budget is around £200? More like £150. The OnePlus stuff is good value but admittedly not cheap anymore (ie for £600 you get what you'd pay maybe £800-£900 for a Samsung or similar). I'd never pay that for a Samsung (or anything else). Having said that, I've got a locked 8GB Samsung J3 here for a project, and if the client paid more than £100 for that, they were robbed! What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? Clip-on/piggy-back power banks with USB pass through are available but you're probably stuffed if you haven't got an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy. |
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In message , at 22:31:47 on
Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Charles Ellson remarked: What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? Clip-on/piggy-back power banks with USB pass through are available but you're probably stuffed if you haven't got an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy. Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:31:47 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Charles Ellson remarked: What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? Clip-on/piggy-back power banks with USB pass through are available but you're probably stuffed if you haven't got an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy. Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. Yes, they all have one or more camera lenses and flash, and often the fingerprint reader too. Plus, most people wouldn't want such a clumsy device anyway. Phones are slim because that's what the market demands. They want phones they can slip into a tight jeans pocket, not clumsy bricks more than an inch thick. Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:49:03 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: On 16/07/2019 15:00, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:57:27 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Someone Somewhere remarked: My Android 9 phone is dual sim. Â*Active, standby or hybrid? Maybe the Virgin trick doesn't work on a standby basis, and all the hybrid I've seen today are also standby. Â*If I add in my requirement for a replaceable battery, 32GB, active dual-SIM, I think that narrows the field to zero. Â*Accepting a hybrid dual-SIM doesn't help, unfortunately (with 32GB, IÂ* probably wouldn't need an SD card). Many of the OnePlus handsets are dual SIM and have been for several years.Â* Both SIMs are active in terms of calls and SMS,Â* 1both can do 2G-4G.Â*Â* You have an easy toggle to switch which one is currently used for data.Â* No replaceable battery though. Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But they are about three times as much as I'd want to spend. So the budget is around £200? More like £150. The OnePlus stuff is good value but admittedly not cheap anymore (ie for £600 you get what you'd pay maybe £800-£900 for a Samsung or similar). I'd never pay that for a Samsung (or anything else). Having said that, I've got a locked 8GB Samsung J3 here for a project, and if the client paid more than £100 for that, they were robbed! What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? The product you want is a charging case; they’re available for some smartphones but not all. The case has a built-in external battery, and you can use the case’s usb socket as if it was the phone’s one. However they’re *considerably* more expensive than a plain external battery of the same capacity (like ~10x the price). Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 22:31:47 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Charles Ellson remarked: What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? Clip-on/piggy-back power banks with USB pass through are available but you're probably stuffed if you haven't got an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy. Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 17/07/2019 09:05, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 22:31:47 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Charles Ellson remarked: What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? Clip-on/piggy-back power banks with USB pass through are available but you're probably stuffed if you haven't got an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy. Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. Yes, they all have one or more camera lenses and flash, and often the fingerprint reader too. Plus, most people wouldn't want such a clumsy device anyway. Phones are slim because that's what the market demands. They want phones they can slip into a tight jeans pocket, not clumsy bricks more than an inch thick. Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Except at some plane stations as I discovered last year. |
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On 17/07/2019 09:05, Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 22:31:47 on Tue, 16 Jul 2019, Charles Ellson remarked: What's the desire for a removeable battery these days? I get that batteries die progressively after a couple of years or more, but until then portable power banks are higher capacity and more flexible (you can use them with multiple things!) than a spare battery. I suppose if there was a thin power bank I could superglue to the back of a phone, and have an unobtrusive permanently connected cable, that might just substitute for having a phone where I can change a normal battery in under a minute. But I suspect that the power bank wouldn't do a pass-through for connecting to the phone's internal storage. How do you suggest fixing that? Clip-on/piggy-back power banks with USB pass through are available but you're probably stuffed if you haven't got an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy. Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. Yes, they all have one or more camera lenses and flash, and often the fingerprint reader too. Plus, most people wouldn't want such a clumsy device anyway. Phones are slim because that's what the market demands. They want phones they can slip into a tight jeans pocket, not clumsy bricks more than an inch thick. Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Except at some plane stations as I discovered last year. The normal rule is that you can carry one small power bank in a carry-on bag, but none in checked-in luggage. But after the recent fire on board a Virgin plane, perhaps that will be tightened up? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/05/virgin-atlantic-flight-makes-emergency-landing-in-boston-after-fire-on-board |
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In message , at 08:49:30 on Wed, 17 Jul
2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:49:30 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Of course, there's a small chance you might be able to find a well-used one on eBay. |
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In message , at 10:24:09 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019,
Roland Perry remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". And trying eBay, all that gives is replacement fatter batteries plus a "pregnant" back cover. Of course, that's only a possibility *because* the phone has a slot-in user-replaceable battery. My first Android smartphone, an HTC Wildfire from about 2010, got fitted with such a battery (and pregnant back cover) because otherwise the battery life was well under a day. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 21:45:53 on Sun, 14
Jul 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked: I still have my old Orange mr30 that took a full size SIM. That's odd. I still have my Nokia Orange that they launched the network with, and that has the postage-stamp sized SIM. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:49:30 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". As I mentioned in my other post, they’re available for a limited selection of phone models. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:45:53 on Sun, 14 Jul 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked: I still have my old Orange mr30 that took a full size SIM. That's odd. I still have my Nokia Orange that they launched the network with, and that has the postage-stamp sized SIM. My friend’s first phone in uni (mid-‘90s) was a flip-front phone (with a pull-out aerial too!) which took the huge sim. Pretty sure that was on Orange. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 17/07/2019 10:30, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? As long as they work, keep on using them, that's what I say. Besides, a case may well have been bought with the phone, but has worn out. I've replaced phone cases many times. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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Recliner Wrote in message:
And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Except at some plane stations as I discovered last year The normal rule is that you can carry one small power bank in a carry-on bag, but none in checked-in luggage. But after the recent fire on board a Virgin plane, perhaps that will be tightened up? IMX, they're not very strict about that - I have two very slim batteries that are always tucked into my little leather messenger bag that's always with me when I'm travelling (has my passport, headphones, Iqos e-cigarette etc.), and another small one that's in the "plugs and cables" bag that's in my trolleybag, and I've never been prevented taking all three onboard. (And not because they don't notice - on Sunday I transferred into a domestic flight at Beijing and the famously strict Chinese security staff noticed the battery in that latter bag in my suitcase - I'd entirely forgotten it, having already declared the two in my shoulder bag (Chinese regulations demand all batteries are declared and individually inspected.) They just passed it through the x-ray again and sent me on my way with all three.) As it was, despite being a tedious 26-hour voyage to get here (storms closed Beijing airport on Saturday night, so quite a lot of that was spent sitting on the tarmac at an alternate waiting for the storms to pass (and to refuel)) , I haven't actually used any of those batteries yet - as is usually the case these days, even the fairly terrible Ukraine International can manage to fit USB charging ports on their aircraft, so I had no need. Thank the Lord I loaded my phone up with Netflix downloads before leaving, though... (When I finally arrived domestic airside at Beijing and missed my connection, I'm delighted to say that I had no trouble at all using my mobile boarding pass at the customer service desk to get a seat on the next flight. This is remarkable for two reasons - firstly that it's the first time I've ever been able to check in online to a Chinese domestic flight at all, the requirement to have a Chinese ID number finally having been dispensed with, and secondly that I didn't actually have a through ticket, so they'd have been entirely within their rights to make me buy a new one for the next flight with seats on sale. So China Southern Airlines deserve a shout out for excellent customer service.) -- |
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In message , at 15:59:49 on Wed, 17
Jul 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked: On 17/07/2019 10:30, Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Ooh, that's a bit strong..! He's got out of bed the wrong side again. What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? As long as they work, keep on using them, that's what I say. Besides, a case may well have been bought with the phone, but has worn out. I've replaced phone cases many times. I agree. And it's when a phone is getting older that replacing the battery becomes a thing, and that includes work-arounds like these power-bank-cases. -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:59:49 +0100, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/07/2019 10:30, Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? For a 'dumbphone', not a lot. Using a smartphone once it no longer receives security patches isn't something I would do personally. |
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On 17/07/2019 16:15, David Walters wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:59:49 +0100, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 17/07/2019 10:30, Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? For a 'dumbphone', not a lot. Using a smartphone once it no longer receives security patches isn't something I would do personally. I've given up on 'smart' phones, I don't like the potential for tracking and the likes of Google et al knowing where I am 24/7, nor having to charge it every day at minimum. I still use the one I have (Samsung S5 mini) as a portable data terminal for things like 2-factor authorisation etc. but there isn't a SIM in it any more and it never leaves the house. In 'flight' mode the battery lasts almost a week, good enough for me. As for phones, the Nokia 6310i reigns supreme..! I also recently unearthed my old Nokia 6150, which still works on its 18yr old battery, which although it uses the battery faster than the 6310i, still lasts a week on standby. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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Recliner wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 08:21:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:29:56 on Sun, 14 Jul One of the reasons for having a Virgin second-SIM is it authenticates Virgin wifi (for those also not on Virgin Cable) on the phone. https://www.virginmedia.com/help/vir...ect-to-london- underground I'm on Virgin Mobile, partly for that reason, and find that it generally fails to connect to the LU hot spots. It's supposed to connect automatically, but seldom does. Maybe due to the 'phone rather than the hot spot ? Of two 'phones which I use, one needs to log on to LU/Virgin and The Cloud at stations the first time it is used there each day while the other seems to do so automatically. IIRC there is a setting in the murkier depths of the WiFi setup which only exists on one of them. I've probably not investigated enough. I just don't spend long enough waiting in deep Tube stations to have much use or need for the capability. Above ground, I just use 4G data. Just for anecdata, my iPhone on Vodafone connects without user intervention to the Underground WiFi. You don’t need to be a VM customer to use it. |
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In message , at 16:15:25 on
Wed, 17 Jul 2019, David Walters remarked: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? For a 'dumbphone', not a lot. Using a smartphone once it no longer receives security patches isn't something I would do personally. What's the main threat you are trying to avoid? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 16:49:32 on Wed, 17 Jul
2019, Tweed remarked: Just for anecdata, my iPhone on Vodafone connects without user intervention to the Underground WiFi. You don’t need to be a VM customer to use it. That kind of reciprocal arrangement comes and goes, almost too fast to keep up. But yes, at the moment some Vodafone plans include the Virgin Wifi on the tube. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:49:32 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Tweed remarked: Just for anecdata, my iPhone on Vodafone connects without user intervention to the Underground WiFi. You don’t need to be a VM customer to use it. That kind of reciprocal arrangement comes and goes, almost too fast to keep up. But yes, at the moment some Vodafone plans include the Virgin Wifi on the tube. I think you will find all the main networks work with the underground system. See https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/station-wifi |
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:21:44 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:39:30 on Sun, 14 Jul 2019, remarked: Of course back when 2G phones first came out the SIM was on a card you could switch cards easily in seconds but presumably that was deemed too convenient I'm not sure how many phones ever took the full size SIM. Probably all of the early 90s ones because the original 2G SIMs were only available as a full sized card, there was no facility to pop the chip out into a smaller form factor without using scissors. for users whereupon inserting the SIM was changed to require removing the battery and messing about trying to get some sum postage sized thing into a tiny slot at an awkward angle. That's more to do with shrinking phone sizes. It doesn't have to be that Probably. Shame things have gone in the opposite direction since 2007. Since when has buying PAYG SIMs for most networks ever been a problem? You talk as if they're a rarity. Ones where the credit rolls over and you don't have to make a regular calls to keep them alive, aren't quite as common as you claim. The networks hate them because they tend to get used in "glovebox" phones were they have all the costs of maintaining the number and the billing records, for virtually no revenue. Oh come on, its costs them precisely £0.00 to maintain a number, its simply data in a database. Then there's a few phones which need a "5v" SIM, and don't work with a 3v one. Those SIMs are getting harder to find (some say that it's only Pound-shop Orange SIMs these days, although I have a very old T-Mobile SIM which is compliant). Never realised there were 2 types of chips. Presumably the 5V are the early types of SIM? |
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:35:20 +0100
"tim..." wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:42:38 +0100 Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:29:56 on Sun, 14 Jul 2019, Clank remarked: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's where the albeit fairly rare dual-SIM phone has a role. Only, for some reason, rare in the UK. The reason is obvious: so many phones are either SIM-locked to one provider, or are fitted with SIMs on non-rollover tariffs, that the opportunities for fitting a second true-Pay-as-you-go SIM are quite limited. Of course back when 2G phones first came out the SIM was on a card you could switch cards easily in seconds but presumably that was deemed too convenient for users it mitigated against the demand for ever smaller phones, but I'm sure you knew that really. Engineers didn't like creating designs for these ever smaller SIMs. It was a real PITA. But it was what Marketing wanted whereupon inserting the SIM was changed to require removing the battery IIRC for the the phone that I had that took a full credit card size SIM you still had to fit it in under the battery I had a motorola M400. The card was a seperate slot and the battery could stay connected while you changed them. The instruction booklet said you should switch the phone off before swapping SIM cards but I did it with it switched on for years and the phone was no worse for wear. I've still got it in a cupboard, could probably get a few quid from a museaum for it now. An interesting thing about these early 2G phones were the fake antennas. Apparently users expected a "proper" antenna so they added in a plastic pull out one that actually did nothing. |
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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 17/07/2019 16:15, David Walters wrote: On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:59:49 +0100, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 17/07/2019 10:30, Recliner wrote: Roland Perry wrote: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? For a 'dumbphone', not a lot. Using a smartphone once it no longer receives security patches isn't something I would do personally. I've given up on 'smart' phones, I don't like the potential for tracking and the likes of Google et al knowing where I am 24/7, nor having to charge it every day at minimum. I still use the one I have (Samsung S5 mini) as a portable data terminal for things like 2-factor authorisation etc. but there isn't a SIM in it any more and it never leaves the house. In 'flight' mode the battery lasts almost a week, good enough for me. As for phones, the Nokia 6310i reigns supreme..! I also recently unearthed my old Nokia 6150, which still works on its 18yr old battery, which although it uses the battery faster than the 6310i, still lasts a week on standby. Whereas I’m the opposite end of the phone user spectrum, I rarely use my phone for voice calls (I have done more often in the past week or so arranging car servicing etc however) or SMS (most of my contacts prefer WhatsApp), but I use my phone for everything I used to use a computer for; my laptop gets used once a month if that. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:02:07 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote: On 17/07/2019 20:44, wrote: Ones where the credit rolls over and you don't have to make a regular calls to keep them alive, aren't quite as common as you claim. The networks hate them because they tend to get used in "glovebox" phones were they have all the costs of maintaining the number and the billing records, for virtually no revenue. Oh come on, its costs them precisely £0.00 to maintain a number, its simply data in a database. And you are qualified to say that how? Who supplies the database, and I've work in IT and I've worked for a telecoms company in the past. on what license terms (hint: it's often on a per slot basis) - and What license? If its a virtual network then yes, there may be a cost to maintain a number though I doubt it because they're assigned in blocks anyway. But otherwise no. that's before we get to the overall costs where there may not be a net gain per subscriber, but they have to be paid anyway - the radio network, the data centres, the backhaul, the support staff, customer services, Ofcom, etc etc etc. And how is that affected in the slightest by having unused numbers in a database? By definition if its unused there will be zero support staff and customer service costs. Perhaps you're not aware that there are no fixed circuits with cellphone systems, a phone number is just a number, nothing more and its not as if numbers are scarce. |
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:13:30 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote: On 18/07/2019 09:19, wrote: What license? If its a virtual network then yes, there may be a cost to maintain a number though I doubt it because they're assigned in blocks anyway. But otherwise no. So who does O2 etc buy their core network equipment from? How do they charge the operator for their software, hardware and services? Feel free to explain how any of that is relevant to individual phone numbers. And O2 *are* an operator, they own the base station equipment. Oh dear. Firstly I am well aware of how mobile networks work, but to answer your specific points numbers *are* scarce - look at the Ofcom number list - there are very few unallocated ranges. Operators have Ofcom are quite capable of making more. There are potentially 999,999,999 numbers available in the UK. We had this argument 20 years ago when IP4 was "scarce". Suddenly a lot more addresses were found when needed. Its only in the last few years they actually ran out. Off the top of my head, it's also not just a number, there will be entries in the billing system, AuC/AAA, HLR/HSS, CRM, voicemail, VoLTE TS, etc. Many of those vendors will be charging the operator on a per Which vendors will be charging O2 then? subscriber basis. Those systems also have a finite capacity per Oh FFS, you can buy terabyte consumer drives for a few hundred quid now, never mind the ones used by large corps. instance, so at some point an additional subscriber will cause the need for a large capital expenditure for a new instance, plus the data centre, power, cooling etc to host it. Yes, I'm sure unused numbers means a new data centre would be required. |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:03:26 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:15:25 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, David Walters remarked: Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? For a 'dumbphone', not a lot. Using a smartphone once it no longer receives security patches isn't something I would do personally. What's the main threat you are trying to avoid? Mostly some malware getting installed via a remote or drive-by vulnerability. There are undoubtedly other unpatched vulnerabilities in my smartphone but I'd rather have protection from the known ones. I also don't run Windows Vista anymore. |
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In message , at 09:28:17 on Thu, 18 Jul
2019, remarked: O2 *are* an operator, they own the base station equipment. Sure about that? It's not uncommon for it to be outsourced to people like Ericsson. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 11:07:01 on
Thu, 18 Jul 2019, David Walters remarked: On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:03:26 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 16:15:25 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, David Walters remarked: Ooh, that's a bit strong..! What's wrong with old phones, anyway..? For a 'dumbphone', not a lot. Using a smartphone once it no longer receives security patches isn't something I would do personally. What's the main threat you are trying to avoid? Mostly some malware getting installed via a remote or drive-by vulnerability. What kinds of drive-by malware has been known to be delivered via apps like Facebook and Twitter? What is the malware trying to achieve. There are undoubtedly other unpatched vulnerabilities in my smartphone but I'd rather have protection from the known ones. I also don't run Windows Vista anymore. A Windows PC is a completely different environment. Even though it's also more likely to be running anti-malware than a typical phone. -- Roland Perry |
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