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In message , at 08:05:44 on Wed, 17 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked: Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Bingo. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 09:30:00 on Wed, 17 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:49:30 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? It's only three years old, but a design that's five years old. Sadly it just missed out having a major Android version change installed from new. The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, Really? They don't stop getting apps for them a week into ownership, so why would they stop buying accessories. not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. If I'm unearthing old phones, then they'll be from the 90's, not the mid 2010's Of course, there's a small chance you might be able to find a well-used one on eBay. I don't think a booster-back ever existed. eBay as many people selling the user-replaceable batteries though. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:05:44 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Recliner remarked: Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Bingo. Did you only read the last sentence? |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:30:00 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:49:30 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? It's only three years old, but a design that's five years old. Sadly it just missed out having a major Android version change installed from new. The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, Really? They don't stop getting apps for them a week into ownership, so why would they stop buying accessories. Because the phone hardware doesn't change. not when they unearth one in an archaeological dig. If I'm unearthing old phones, then they'll be from the 90's, not the mid 2010's Of course, there's a small chance you might be able to find a well-used one on eBay. I don't think a booster-back ever existed. eBay as many people selling the user-replaceable batteries though. |
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In message , at 15:30:47 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked: Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Bingo. Did you only read the last sentence? Why; are you doing a u-turn on the last sentence now? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 15:30:47 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked: The assumption is that people buy accessories when they first buy a phone, Really? They don't stop getting apps for them a week into ownership, so why would they stop buying accessories. Because the phone hardware doesn't change. But people's needs change, and new opportunities arise. That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:31:53 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Clank remarked: Roland Perry Wrote in message: In message , at 09:13:10 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Clank remarked: Please can you provide an example of one of these "hybrid" deals then? Virgin pay-monthly. Huh? What's hybrid about that? I've just checked their site, it's a bog standard contract. Actually, two contracts, one for the phone and one for the call plan which is - drumroll - a 30 day contract. In that case they've changed it. The plan used to be disjoint from hardware and therefore a pay-in-arrears PAYG monthly rolling thing. The "hook" (compared with a regular PAYG SIM) was that international roaming was available, and a very attractive set of prices. Of course, as time went on that price advantage rotted away... (Until EU roaming kicked in, but that was much later). I moved to Giff-Gaff, who have a different kind of hybrid deal which involves an underlying PAYG-in-Advance where the credit rolls over, but you need to buy special top-up packages (which you can set up to auto-topup monthly) for loadsa data/calls/txts. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry Wrote in message:
In message , at 09:13:10 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Clank remarked: Please can you provide an example of one of these "hybrid" deals then? Virgin pay-monthly. Huh? What's hybrid about that? I've just checked their site, it's a bog standard contract. Actually, two contracts, one for the phone and one for the call plan which is - drumroll - a 30 day contract. It even says it on their own site FFS. "Our flexible Freestyle contracts have two parts... One contract for your phone (24 or 36 month) + one contract for your minutes, texts and data (30-day rolling.)" (I suspect that separating the phone subsidy loan quite so clearly from the mobile service contract is Virgin being one step in front of Ofcom making it mandatory to do so at some point - the inertia-marketing scam of making customers carry on paying for a handset long after the actual subsidy was paid off is one of the unattractive features of the UK mobile market.) -- |
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Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by decades... -- |
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In message , at 20:21:58 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Clank remarked: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by decades... Ear*phones* are certainly a thing which appear to appear to the more introverted phone users who are using it as chiefly a music player. To that extent it's no different to a Walkman. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:30:47 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Recliner remarked: Most people can get through a day on one charge. And if they can't, there are plenty of places to recharge. And if they're not available, it's easy to carry a small power bank separately in a bag. Bingo. Did you only read the last sentence? Why; are you doing a u-turn on the last sentence now? Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it. |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:21:58 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Clank remarked: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by decades... Ear*phones* are certainly a thing which appear to appear to the more introverted phone users who are using it as chiefly a music player. To that extent it's no different to a Walkman. Indeed so. That's one of many devices that smartphones have replaced. |
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On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by decades... More like a century! -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 24/07/2019 20:17, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:21:58 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Clank remarked: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by decades... Ear*phones* are certainly a thing which appear to appear to the more introverted phone users who are using it as chiefly a music player. To that extent it's no different to a Walkman. I favor the ear canal variety which completely drown out the interminable announcements on the railways. |
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On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by decades... I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Paul Weller - 2002 - Illumination |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:30:00 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 08:49:30 on Wed, 17 Jul 2019, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked: Now you mention it, I did once have a case for a smartphone that had power bank integrated, which meant having a pass-through connector. But the battery inside that died very quickly (a matter of months). The fact they are so rare makes me think there's something systemically wrong with them. Is it also perhaps because the backs of phones increasingly have buttons and camera lenses/flashes and so on - which would tend to get obscured unless the case had exactly the correct cut-outs in it. The case has to be designed to fit the size, shape and connectors of the phone anyway; putting holes in the right place for camera, microphone, speaker etc isn’t rocket science. Plain cases for every variety of phone manage it, so do the powered cases. I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? It's only three years old, but a design that's five years old. Sadly it just missed out having a major Android version change installed from new. I'm curious why you bought a new phone with a five year old design? It must have already been years out of date on the day you got it. |
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On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone * accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by * decades... I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar, introduced in the 1950s IIRC [1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 24/07/2019 21:49, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote: On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone * accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by * decades... I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar, introduced in the 1950s IIRC [1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in. Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Paul Weller - 2002 - Illumination |
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On 24/07/2019 22:30, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 21:49, Graeme Wall wrote: On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote: On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone * accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by * decades... I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar, introduced in the 1950s IIRC [1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in. Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. The RAF version had earphones as well, but a lot more clumsy than the modern version, you certainly couldn't slip it into the back pocket of your jeans. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. |
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Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. Robin |
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Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) -- |
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bob wrote:
Recliner wrote: Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. Yes, indeed. I was thinking of the PDA term as originally promoted by Apple in the early 1980s, which foresaw Alexa-style ideas. |
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On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:30:12 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote: On 24/07/2019 21:49, Graeme Wall wrote: On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote: On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone * accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by * decades... I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar, introduced in the 1950s IIRC [1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in. Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. Also used on handheld radios (usually clipped on somewhere when in that mode) so possibly nicked from them. |
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On 24/07/2019 23:17, Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. What Arthur C Clarke called a minisec around 40 years ago! -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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In message , at 21:49:47 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked: On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote: On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone * accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by * decades... I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar, introduced in the 1950s IIRC [1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in. Or back in WW2: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ODkAAOSwivlcq2w5/s-l300.jpg -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked: Recliner wrote: Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back, rather than the other way round. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:58:23 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked: I just went to Amazon to look, for my LG phone. A choice of 13 products, every single one "Currently unavailable". Presumably because your phone is ancient? It's only three years old, but a design that's five years old. Sadly it just missed out having a major Android version change installed from new. I'm curious why you bought a new phone with a five year old design? It must have already been years out of date on the day you got it. Last time I looked, five minus three equalled two. I started with a list of features, which included user-changeable battery[1], Active Dual-SIM[1], 32GB[1] and NFC[2]. And that narrowed the field to a handful of models. 4G was a bonus, but I so rarely see it even today, it was never a requirement. The model which replaced it the following year was, by general consensus, so similar as to be virtually indistinguishable. Apart from being shipped with Android 5.1.1; the one after that wasn't in circulation yet (and it turned out only had standby Dual-SIM). The unforeseen consequence of buying the older, less expensive, model was they way they never upgraded to Android version. All mainstream apps work fine, it's just a few where the developers have forgotten about backwards compatibility. [1] Let's just take these as read, and not re-debate them [2] Specifically to examine the data inside travel smartcards. -- Roland Perry |
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On 25/07/2019 07:51, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:49:47 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, Graeme Wall remarked: On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote: On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote: Roland Perry Wrote in message: That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a new phone and get the together). It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone * accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by * decades... *I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area pre-dated mobile phones. The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar, introduced in the 1950s IIRC [1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in. Or back in WW2: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ODkAAOSwivlcq2w5/s-l300.jpg Older than I thought. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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In article ,
Recliner wrote: Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it. An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with wires dangling into their pockets. Clearly we have gone past the day where having wires got you shot by the Met. -- Natalie Amery. With a book and a steeple, with a bell and a key. ##### They would bind it forever, but they can't (said he). #######__o Oh, the book it will perish and the steeple will fall #######'/ But the light will be shining at the end of it all. |
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Natalie Amery wrote:
In article , Recliner wrote: Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it. An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with wires dangling into their pockets. Often going to wired headphones. Clearly we have gone past the day where having wires got you shot by the Met. I thought it was carrying toys got you shot? |
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In article ,
Roland Perry wrote: If I buy a first class stamp, I have a legal contract with the Post Office (to deliver one letter). But when they talk about 'contracts' they mean long term high volume business. Actually, you don't have a legal contract with the _Royal Mail_ until you post the stamp; all you have is an offer to treat. And you bought the stamp from the Post Office with a contract of sale. -- Natalie Amery. yo-yo, n.: ##### Something that is occasionally up #######__o but normally down. #######'/ (see also Computer). |
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In article ,
Recliner wrote: Natalie Amery wrote: In article , Recliner wrote: Of course not, but I made clear that only a minority do it. An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with wires dangling into their pockets. Often going to wired headphones. I'm not sure why the wire out of a telephone going into a pocket would be wired headphones. Clearly we have gone past the day where having wires got you shot by the Met. I thought it was carrying toys got you shot? Also table legs. -- Natalie Amery. Down in the street they're all singing and shouting, ##### Staying alive though the city is dead, #######__o Hiding their shame behind hollow laughter, #######'/ While you are crying alone on your bed. - Cassandra, ABBA. |
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On 25 Jul 2019 09:37:03 +0100 (BST), Natalie Amery
wrote: In article , Roland Perry wrote: If I buy a first class stamp, I have a legal contract with the Post Office (to deliver one letter). But when they talk about 'contracts' they mean long term high volume business. Actually, you don't have a legal contract with the _Royal Mail_ until you post the stamp; all you have is an offer to treat. And you bought the stamp from the Post Office with a contract of sale. The stamp is an undated voucher involving receipt of a future service so there is a continuing contract started when the stamp was purchased and finishing when the eventual postal item is delivered. The Post Office/post office is acting as an agent of Royal Mail when it sells the stamp. |
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In message , at 12:11:00 on Thu,
25 Jul 2019, Natalie Amery remarked: An increasingly large minority given the number of people I see with wires dangling into their pockets. Often going to wired headphones. I'm not sure why the wire out of a telephone going into a pocket would be wired headphones. Some people thread a wire (for headphones) through their jacket from somewhere near the collar to inside a pocket. You then need to plug the phone into the pocket. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, bob remarked: Recliner wrote: Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added. It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back, rather than the other way round. Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007 was around the “Apple will make a phone” with ideas of an iPod click-wheel phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web browser and mobile phone. Robin |
Dual SIM phones was:Worker killed by Southern train was covering for brother
In message , at 21:03:22 on Sat, 27 Jul
2019, bob remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, bob remarked: Recliner wrote: Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added. It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. I'm pretty sure the iPod Touch was either a parallel or earlier development cycle to the iPhone, but appearing a few months later to avoid stealing the thunder from the iPhone. People tend to describe the touch as "an iPhone without the phone", which may show how relatively unimportant a camera in the phone was perceived at the time. The iPhone and iPod Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability. And no camera or speaker (or GPS). Surprisingly, the original iPhone didn't have 3G. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back, rather than the other way round. Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007 was around the “Apple will make a phone” with ideas of an iPod click-wheel phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web browser and mobile phone. I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel). -- Roland Perry |
Dual SIM phones was:Worker killed by Southern train wascovering for brother
bob wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, bob remarked: Recliner wrote: Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added. It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back, rather than the other way round. Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007 was around the “Apple will make a phone” with ideas of an iPod click-wheel phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web browser and mobile phone. Smartphones existed before the iPhone. I had 2 HP smartphones, each running a version of Windows Mobile. It meant that I only needed to carry one device, rather than a PDA and separate mobile phone. The first HP one was great (although much thicker than an iPhone) until it died suddenly, but the second one, with a slide-out mini keyboard, which looked great on paper, was c**p. That was when I switched to the iPhone. -- Jeremy Double |
Dual SIM phones was:Worker killed by Southern train wascovering for brother
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:03:22 on Sat, 27 Jul 2019, bob remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul 2019, bob remarked: Recliner wrote: Clank wrote: Basil Jet Wrote in message: Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory. I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice calls on my phone once in a blue moon.) Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term for what we still call phones. The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single thing. If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added. It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. I'm pretty sure the iPod Touch was either a parallel or earlier development cycle to the iPhone, but appearing a few months later to avoid stealing the thunder from the iPhone. People tend to describe the touch as "an iPhone without the phone", which may show how relatively unimportant a camera in the phone was perceived at the time. The iPhone and iPod Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability. And no camera or speaker (or GPS). Surprisingly, the original iPhone didn't have 3G. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an accident of history. See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back, rather than the other way round. Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007 was around the “Apple will make a phone” with ideas of an iPod click-wheel phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web browser and mobile phone. I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel). That must have taken some finding! Is it some $25 third world special? |
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