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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it
is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to
whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with
lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at
the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

OTOH, I can't help but agree that the free travel for under 18s and over 60s
is far too generous, and is ripe to be cut back (even further)

In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside
it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus
to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears
at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020,
tim... remarked:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...haun-bailey-ra
lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it
is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to
whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at
the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a
poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

It's PT uses that benefited from the fare freeze, they should be paying for
that mistake

tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020,
tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it
is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to
whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at
the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a
poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

It's PT uses that benefited from the fare freeze, they should be paying for
that mistake


I can't see how they could enforce a hugely enlarged CC zone anyway —
they'd need a vast number of cameras and admin support. It would also lose
the Tories every London seat (and not just inside the Circular roads).

In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can
walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their
ears at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

After the N/S Circular, how long before the M25?
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can
walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their
ears at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

After the N/S Circular, how long before the M25?

Too many Tory-held seats.

"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:

I can't see how they could enforce a hugely enlarged CC zone anyway
they'd need a vast number of cameras and admin support.
ITYF most of the infrastructure is already there to support the LEZ and ULEZ
extension next year.

--
DAS

On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote:
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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside
it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus
to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous


If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be
547.5. That'd be a vote-loser but reduce it in respons to the outcry
and you end up with somrthing similar to the 100+ pounds some Boroughs
charge for a residents parking permit and still a nice little earner.

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Robin
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On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote:
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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside
it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus
to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous


If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd be
547.5.

only for the first vehicle

many families are going to have 2

and

"As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents'
discount is closed to new applicants"

On 17/10/2020 08:00, tim... wrote:


"Robin" wrote in message
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On 16/10/2020 17:06, tim... wrote:
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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can
walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous


If residents get the same 90% discount as with the current CC that'd
be 547.5.

only for the first vehicle

many families are going to have 2


the discount is limited to one vehicle per /resident/ not per household.
See Annex 3 to the Order: "At no time may particulars of more than one
vehicle be entered in the register, in relation to any one individual
who is a qualified resident."


"As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the residents'
discount is closed to new applicants"


....to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd never
get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from anything else a
lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered.



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Robin
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