Today was the first one-under on the Copenhagen driverless Metro, and
that leads me to ask: how much of a problem is it with people
falling/jumping and in any other way suddenly appearing in front of
trains at DLR?
In Copenhagen there is a system of photocells by the platforms meant to
stop the train if someone decides to take a walk along the rails, but
it'd still be possible to jump/fall right infront of a train.

Before you make assumptions - the accident here happened at about 1700
local time, and investigation is still going on as to the reasons to the
one-under.

The victim possibly survives.
Unfortunately also 5 passengers is currently receiving psycological
first aid at the university hospital in Copenhagen

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Here in Vancouver, skytrain stations have a mounted grate between the tracks
which are alarmed with pressure sensors. If someone falls or climbs onto
the guideway all trains in the local area are stopped immediately. All
Skytrains are automated/driverless.

If you really wanted to you could throw yourself under a Skytrain but the
trains travel at a sufficiently slower speed on station entry to make it
harder. Trust anyone who has ever been on a Skytrain that has had to brake
suddenly, they stop very very fast. Fast enough in fact that if you are at
speed when the emergency brakes activate you can really feel the effect on
your body, and it ain't pleasant.

Mike

"Lars Elmvang" wrote in message
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Today was the first one-under on the Copenhagen driverless Metro, and
that leads me to ask: how much of a problem is it with people
falling/jumping and in any other way suddenly appearing in front of
trains at DLR?
In Copenhagen there is a system of photocells by the platforms meant to
stop the train if someone decides to take a walk along the rails, but
it'd still be possible to jump/fall right infront of a train.

Before you make assumptions - the accident here happened at about 1700
local time, and investigation is still going on as to the reasons to the
one-under.

The victim possibly survives.
Unfortunately also 5 passengers is currently receiving psycological
first aid at the university hospital in Copenhagen

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Lars Elmvang wrote:

Don't the new underground stations have glass doors by the platforms (I know
underground trains aren't automated)? I'm not sure if they do, because my
local underground has 20 year old dirty brown-tiled stations, 110 year old
tunnels (the smell is reminiscent of a cave) and has tiny trains.

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AyrAlex wrote:
Don't the new underground stations have glass doors by the platforms (I know
underground trains aren't automated)? I'm not sure if they do, because my
local underground has 20 year old dirty brown-tiled stations, 110 year old
tunnels (the smell is reminiscent of a cave) and has tiny trains.

All underground stations on the Jubilee between Westminster eastwards
are fitted with platform edge doors. Platforms that are not in tunnel
are not fitted. BTW: The Central and Victoria line trains are automated.
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In message , Joe
writes
BTW: The Central and Victoria line trains are automated.

But not to the extent of entirely dispensing with drivers.
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , Joe
writes
BTW: The Central and Victoria line trains are automated.

But not to the extent of entirely dispensing with drivers.

AIUI when the trains are driving automatically the driver just closes (and
opens?) the doors, just like the train captain on the DLR so, apart from
having to have new stock with door controls throughout the train , the
Victoria and Central lines could dispense with drivers staying in the cab.

Dave.

In message , Dave Liney
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AIUI when the trains are driving automatically the driver just closes (and
opens?) the doors, just like the train captain on the DLR so, apart from
having to have new stock with door controls throughout the train , the
Victoria and Central lines could dispense with drivers staying in the cab.

Yes, you could probably call them a "guard". I think the passengers are
happier with the concept of no guard rather than no driver, though.

The DLR gets away with it by being a different format, more like the
airport transits people are used to.

ps Is the Central automatic the whole length now? I thought it was only
the middle section.
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In article , Dave Liney
writes

AIUI when the trains are driving automatically the driver just closes (and
opens?) the doors, just like the train captain on the DLR so, apart from
having to have new stock with door controls throughout the train , the
Victoria and Central lines could dispense with drivers staying in the cab.

Wrong. Very wrong. You can't get rid of the drivers on the Central and
Victoria, They are there for passenger safety and when the computer
fails they can drive the train manually. They are also looking out for
obstructions and people on the line etc.

DLR train captains can drive the train manually from the control panel.
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Andrew P Smith wrote:
Wrong. Very wrong. You can't get rid of the drivers on the Central and
Victoria, They are there for passenger safety and when the computer
fails they can drive the train manually. They are also looking out for
obstructions and people on the line etc.

DLR train captains can drive the train manually from the control panel.

I was sitting in the front on a DLR train once when the captain came and
sat near me and said he was taking control because "the track workers
were out", we I didnt see anyone, and after driving carefully to the
next station he closed the controls back up and everything carried on
auto, could it have been that he had a report of someone on the line?

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"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
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In article , Dave Liney
writes

AIUI when the trains are driving automatically the driver just closes
(and
opens?) the doors, just like the train captain on the DLR so, apart from
having to have new stock with door controls throughout the train , the
Victoria and Central lines could dispense with drivers staying in the
cab.

Wrong. Very wrong. You can't get rid of the drivers on the Central and
Victoria

If you read my post again you'll notice that I don't say that you could. I
just said that you could dispense with them staying in the cab. Obviously
they would have to be there when the trains are heavily loaded but during
the off-peak time they could be in the main passenger areas and act as a
reassuring presence.

They are also looking out for
obstructions and people on the line etc.

Yet this isn't a problem on the DLR.

DLR train captains can drive the train manually from the control panel.

I know. But most of the time they don't and so can be in with the
passengers.

Dave.