Colin McKenzie wrote in message ...
David Chorley wrote:
This, incidentally, is why "global warming through increased levels of
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere" was thought up as it is hogwash as
basic science and undisproveable, as it is unproveable.

If global warming is happening, it's a far more serious problem for
humanity than Islamic terrorism. Yet our politicians seem much more
exercised about the latter.

As to the theory, like all theories it cannot be proved 100%. But we
have warming, we have increased CO2, and we have a credible theory to
connect the two. Until a better theory comes along, intelligent people
without vested interests accept the hypothesis.

Colin McKenzie

Firstly, Global warming is happening, beyond reasonable doubt. It is
also beyond reasonable doubt that the chief cause of this is human
production of CO2.

Second, politicians in Europe at least are doing something. Perhaps
not enough, though many would argue too much.

And yes, less than they are against Islamic Terrorism. Global warming
is of little concern to people over the next election cycle. Islamic
terrorism is.

On 20 Aug 2004 01:32:14 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:

Colin McKenzie wrote in message ...
David Chorley wrote:
This, incidentally, is why "global warming through increased levels of
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere" was thought up as it is hogwash as
basic science and undisproveable, as it is unproveable.

If global warming is happening, it's a far more serious problem for
humanity than Islamic terrorism. Yet our politicians seem much more
exercised about the latter.

As to the theory, like all theories it cannot be proved 100%. But we
have warming, we have increased CO2, and we have a credible theory to
connect the two. Until a better theory comes along, intelligent people
without vested interests accept the hypothesis.

Colin McKenzie

Firstly, Global warming is happening, beyond reasonable doubt. It is
also beyond reasonable doubt that the chief cause of this is human
production of CO2.


Bull****, correlation != causation.
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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
On 20 Aug 2004 01:32:14 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:

Colin McKenzie wrote in message ...
David Chorley wrote:
This, incidentally, is why "global warming through increased levels of
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere" was thought up as it is hogwash as
basic science and undisproveable, as it is unproveable.

If global warming is happening, it's a far more serious problem for
humanity than Islamic terrorism. Yet our politicians seem much more
exercised about the latter.

As to the theory, like all theories it cannot be proved 100%. But we
have warming, we have increased CO2, and we have a credible theory to
connect the two. Until a better theory comes along, intelligent people
without vested interests accept the hypothesis.

Colin McKenzie

Firstly, Global warming is happening, beyond reasonable doubt. It is
also beyond reasonable doubt that the chief cause of this is human
production of CO2.


Bull****, correlation != causation.

Since all the activities of humanity do not, cumulatively, equal the
CO2 production of termites, I suggest we eradicate the termite
population.

David.
Global warming happens during daytime, at night global cooling occurs.

On 20 Aug 2004 09:46:45 -0700, (David Chorley)
wrote:


Firstly, Global warming is happening, beyond reasonable doubt. It is
also beyond reasonable doubt that the chief cause of this is human
production of CO2.


Bull****, correlation != causation.

Since all the activities of humanity do not, cumulatively, equal the
CO2 production of termites, I suggest we eradicate the termite
population.


Our kyoto loving chums are exceedingly silent on the issue of wildfires
stretching across several 1000 miles of chinese and indian coalfields.

Wildfires which have an annual CO2 output equivalent to the vehicular
traffic in North America.

greg


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On 20 Aug 2004 09:46:45 -0700, (David
Chorley) wrote:

Since all the activities of humanity do not, cumulatively, equal the
CO2 production of termites, I suggest we eradicate the termite
population.

Methinks you are confusing CO2 with methane.

Peter Harris
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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
On 20 Aug 2004 01:32:14 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:

Colin McKenzie wrote in message ...
David Chorley wrote:
This, incidentally, is why "global warming through increased levels of
carbon dioxide in the atmosphere" was thought up as it is hogwash as
basic science and undisproveable, as it is unproveable.

If global warming is happening, it's a far more serious problem for
humanity than Islamic terrorism. Yet our politicians seem much more
exercised about the latter.

As to the theory, like all theories it cannot be proved 100%. But we
have warming, we have increased CO2, and we have a credible theory to
connect the two. Until a better theory comes along, intelligent people
without vested interests accept the hypothesis.

Colin McKenzie

Firstly, Global warming is happening, beyond reasonable doubt. It is
also beyond reasonable doubt that the chief cause of this is human
production of CO2.


Bull****, correlation != causation.

"!=" != "not always"

Which bit do you dispute?
1. Human activity is responsible for the unprecendentedly high levels of CO2
2. The high CO2 levels are largely responsible for global warming


For the last 700,000 years, CO2 concentration has varied between 180
and 300ppm.

http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Pre...ning/New_Data/

In the last 100 years, it has risen from 280 to nearly 400 ppm.

Now I suppose that this unprecedented increase happening over the last
100 years could be a coincidence, and is perhaps nothing to do with
our CO2 production.

But more likely the additional 100 ppm is human production.

On 20 Aug 2004 11:46:21 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..


Which bit do you dispute?
1. Human activity is responsible for the unprecendentedly high levels of CO2

Not proven to be "unprecendentedly high levels"

2. The high CO2 levels are largely responsible for global warming

If that's the case why doesn't Kyoto address *all* sources of CO2.

But more likely the additional 100 ppm is human production.


So what.

Thinly disguised leftists screaming for state control of the means of
production is not a meaningful basis for environmental policy



greg

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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
On 20 Aug 2004 11:46:21 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:

Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..


Which bit do you dispute?
1. Human activity is responsible for the unprecendentedly high levels of CO2

Not proven to be "unprecendentedly high levels"

OK - only unprecedently high compared to the last 700,000 years. The
antarctic ice cores are pretty conclusive.

2. The high CO2 levels are largely responsible for global warming

If that's the case why doesn't Kyoto address *all* sources of CO2.

You mean China and India? Politics.

But more likely the additional 100 ppm is human production.


So what.

Thinly disguised leftists screaming for state control of the means of
production is not a meaningful basis for environmental policy

I've found this is a common response from Americans: If you haven't
got facts to back you up, just accuse the other of point of view of
being driven by leftism, communism, fascism or whatever.

On 22 Aug 2004 03:56:34 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:


I've found this is a common response from Americans:

I suggest you check the headers, if you cannot even get that right, how
pray tell is anyone supposed to take your chicken little style enviro
horror seriously.


greg

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Greg Hennessy wrote in message . ..
On 22 Aug 2004 03:56:34 -0700, (Alex Terrell) wrote:


I've found this is a common response from Americans:

I suggest you check the headers, if you cannot even get that right, how
pray tell is anyone supposed to take your chicken little style enviro
horror seriously.


greg

which is why I was a bit surprised to see such stupid argumentation on
UK rail sites, where I expected more rational, fact based arguments.