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"Danny Colyer" wrote in message
... Interesting. In 14 years of driving I have never actually been delayed by a cyclist. There have been occasions when I've had to wait until it was safe to pass a cyclist, but after getting past it never takes long to catch up with the next traffic jam. Unfortunately the thought process of most drivers doesn't extend this far. I'd say bikes cause far less delay to cars than any form of motorized vehicle. |
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"David Splett" wrote in message ...
"Danny Colyer" wrote in message ... Interesting. In 14 years of driving I have never actually been delayed by a cyclist. There have been occasions when I've had to wait until it was safe to pass a cyclist, but after getting past it never takes long to catch up with the next traffic jam. Unfortunately the thought process of most drivers doesn't extend this far. I'd say bikes cause far less delay to cars than any form of motorized vehicle. They're not so much worried about the delay, which they must know is almost always temporary, as following the golden rule that all cyclists must be instantly overtaken regardless of the circumstances. If you are slotted into a long line of 20 mph traffic, where there is no question of delaying anyone, they will still try to pass you even though there is clearly no gap to pull into. Failure to do so would be a violation of the golden rule. -- Dave... |
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On 9 Sep 2004, Dave Kahn wrote:
"David Splett" wrote in message ... "Danny Colyer" wrote in message ... Interesting. In 14 years of driving I have never actually been delayed by a cyclist. There have been occasions when I've had to wait until it was safe to pass a cyclist, but after getting past it never takes long to catch up with the next traffic jam. Unfortunately the thought process of most drivers doesn't extend this far. I'd say bikes cause far less delay to cars than any form of motorized vehicle. They're not so much worried about the delay, which they must know is almost always temporary, as following the golden rule that all cyclists must be instantly overtaken regardless of the circumstances. Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... ASL's all round, i say. tom -- So the moon is approximately 24 toasters from S****horpe. |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
... Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... rant I downright refuse to stop before that green bit at the front of the lights that meant for cyclists - I always stop on it! Why should the miserable, pavement-pedallers have any more of the road than they already have? They've got one lane, now they want two extra! When they pay road tax like we do, then I might consider it! /rant Ian |
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"Ian F." writes:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... rant I downright refuse to stop before that green bit at the front of the lights that meant for cyclists - I always stop on it! Why should the miserable, pavement-pedallers have any more of the road than they already have? They've got one lane, now they want two extra! When they pay road tax like we do, then I might consider it! /rant Good point. It's important to get your money's worth from your road tax. |
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"Ambrose Nankivell" wrote in message
... Good point. It's important to get your money's worth from your road tax. LOL. Now you've taken the edge of my rant! Ian |
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"Ian F." wrote in message
... rant I downright refuse to stop before that green bit at the front of the lights that meant for cyclists - I always stop on it! Why should the miserable, pavement-pedallers have any more of the road than they already have? They've got one lane, now they want two extra! When they pay road tax like we do, then I might consider it! /rant It might be a downright refusal on your part, but it's not a very clever one. When I'm cycling and I encounter cars that haven't stopped in the correct place, I simply pass over the ASL and stop in front of them. Why not just learn to drive your vehicle correctly, or do you get some kind of flagilatory thrill from being tense and stressed? |
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"David Splett" wrote in message
... It might be a downright refusal on your part, but it's not a very clever one. I'm not claiming it *is* clever. It's just my daft little protest against people using our roads who don't pay for them! ;-) When I'm cycling and I encounter cars that haven't stopped in the correct place, I simply pass over the ASL and stop in front of them. ASL? Why not just learn to drive your vehicle correctly, or do you get some kind of flagilatory thrill from being tense and stressed? I do drive my vehicle correctly. And I'm not tense, or stressed, or prone to flagellatory flights of fancy. I just hate cyclists and the way they (present company excepted) reckon they own the road - riding on the pavement, jumping red lights, yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. Ian |
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Ian F. wrote:
And I'm not [...] prone to flagellatory flights of fancy. That's not what I've heard! :-) |
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Ian F. wrote:
I just hate cyclists and the way they (present company excepted) reckon they own the road - riding on the pavement, jumping red lights, yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. This chap *has* to be posting from utl. I've read that POB's[1] tend to do that sort of thing a lot in London. [1] People On Bikes, as opposed to Real Cyclists. -- Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address) URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine |
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"Dave Newt" newtonline{at}gmail.com wrote in message
t.net... That's not what I've heard! :-) Relurk, Newtie - or else! ;-) Ian |
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"Danny Colyer" wrote in message
... This chap *has* to be posting from utl. Well, I'm hardly going to be posting from urc, now, am I? :-) I've read that POB's[1] tend to do that sort of thing a lot in London. [1] People On Bikes, as opposed to Real Cyclists. If you tell me there's a difference, I'll believe you! Ian |
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in message , Ian F.
') wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... I downright refuse to stop before that green bit at the front of the lights that meant for cyclists - I always stop on it! Why should the miserable, pavement-pedallers have any more of the road than they already have? They've got one lane, now they want two extra! When they pay road tax like we do, then I might consider it! There's been no road tax in this country for more than fifty years. I don't know who you're paying it to, but you're being conned. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; Want to know what SCO stands for? ;; http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030605 |
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I wrote:
I've read that POB's[1] tend to do that sort of thing a lot in London. [1] People On Bikes, as opposed to Real Cyclists. and Ian F. responded: If you tell me there's a difference, I'll believe you! There certainly is. We Real Cyclists tend to really, really dislike POB's, mostly because we all get tarred with the same brush. But also because they endanger us directly. A while ago, a regular on urc was injured when a POB rode off a pavement into him without looking. I have had to slam the brakes on on occasion to avoid POB's doing the same thing. In The Great Helmet Debate, those who would like to remove our freedom to choose whether to wear a lid (in spite of all the evidence that removal of such freedom would be a bad thing) have taken to citing the case of a young POB who was killed after riding a bike with faulty brakes off the pavement and into the path of a car. As if wearing a PFDB[1] would have been more effective at saving his life than adequate cycle training and maintenance. There have been other stories of Real Cyclists being hit by POB's sailing through red lights. POB's tend to be relatively slow cyclists (except for those couriers that I've read about). So a POB will sail past a Real Cyclist at a red light, then get in the way when the Real Cyclist catches up after the lights change. Repeatedly, when there are as many traffic lights as in London. I could go on (I had other things in mind to mention when I started typing this), but I'm bored now so I'll stop. [1] Polystyrene Foam Deflector Beanie. It's OK to wear a helmet, as long as you remember that it's made of meringue covered in eggshell and ride accordingly. -- Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address) URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:34:08 +0100, "Ian F."
wrote in message : I'm not claiming it *is* clever. It's just my daft little protest against people using our roads who don't pay for them! ;-) Ah, so you haven't heard that cyclists have above-average income, are more likely to own a house, a car and any other measure of material wealth except a satellite dish (and that's probably changed now the Tour is on ITV2). In other words, cyclists probably pay more tax than you do. And then leave the car at home - smart people! I do drive my vehicle correctly. And I'm not tense, or stressed, or prone to flagellatory flights of fancy. I just hate cyclists and the way they (present company excepted) reckon they own the road - riding on the pavement, jumping red lights, yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. Ah, so you are going to break your word and drive incorrectly (i.e. illegally) based on the behaviour of a small group of cyclists who, incidentally, are every bit as unpopular with us cyclists as they are with cagers. What's your view on that bloke who slashed car tyres based on the behaviour of a subset of cagers? Do you not think that the best way to make the roads a better place is to set a good example, rather than try and out-idiot the idiots? Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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Ian F. wrote:
I do drive my vehicle correctly. And I'm not tense, or stressed, or prone to flagellatory flights of fancy. I just hate cyclists and the way they (present company excepted) reckon they own the road - riding on the pavement, jumping red lights, yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. .... damaging your bumpers, getting under your wheels. I know the type. *******s! Daniele -- Apple Juice Ltd Chapter Arts Centre Market Road www.apple-juice.co.uk Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140 |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
... Do you not think that the best way to make the roads a better place is to set a good example, rather than try and out-idiot the idiots? I've learned, today, the difference between Real Cyclists and People On Bikes. I knew nothing about that before. Thanks. Ian |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:32:17 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: Ah, so you haven't heard that cyclists have above-average income, are more likely to own a house, a car and any other measure of material wealth except a satellite dish (and that's probably changed now the Tour is on ITV2). Nonsense. The discerning cyclist gets ITV2 on Freeview. -- Dave... Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain |
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"Danny Colyer" wrote in message
... There certainly is. We Real Cyclists tend to really, really dislike POB's, mostly because we all get tarred with the same brush. But also because they endanger us directly. snip interesting stuff Just proves you're never too old to learn. I shall now take great pleasure in watching out for Real Cyclists as opposed to POBs! Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Isn't there a pressure organisation or something? How can we (pedestrians) help? Ian |
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Ian F. wrote:
Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Isn't there a pressure organisation or something? How can we (pedestrians) help? If only! It needs an effective public education campaign to encourage new/returning cyclists to take training courses, ready availability of such courses (they *are* available, if you know where to look) and ready availability of Cycling Proficiency courses at all primary and secondary schools. It's starting to happen. Standard training courses have been developed by CTC, among others, and seem to be effective (hopefully JohnB will be along any minute to tell you all about them). But I'm sure it'll be years before we notice any significant improvement. Other than that, we could always adapt Spike Bike's techniques and direct them towards the POB's :-) URL:http://members.aol.com/clubnbc/spike_1.htm -- Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address) URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine |
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"Ian F." typed
Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Isn't there a pressure organisation or something? How can we (pedestrians) help? It's really *very* difficult. Camden Cycling Campaign is trying to help the Council with some catchy slogans to deter pavement cycling but we *aren't* responsible for other POBs. CCC members attended a meeting of campaigning pedestrians at Camden Town Hall about three weeks ago. It was then reported in local papers that 'the enemy' had 'gatecrashed' the meeting. Co-operating with some groups of pedestrians isn't always easy! Enforcement of traffic law is the responsibility of the Police etc. POBs give all cyclists a bad name and make campaigning for measures to improve the lot of cyclists far more difficult. The roads in Outer London are packed with drivers who are really hostile to cyclists and frequently tell them to get onto the pavement. The local Press can be very hostile too. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Ian F. wrote: rant I downright refuse to stop before that green bit at the front of the lights that meant for cyclists - I always stop on it! Why should the miserable, pavement-pedallers have any more of the road than they already have? They've got one lane, now they want two extra! When they pay road tax like we do, then I might consider it! /rant Ian Humm, illegal, its a bike only advanced stop line, however a lot of traffic lights now have extra loops under them and change much quicker/for longer (the ones outside here do). Most POB students either don't sit over them, or just ride through the red and onto the pavements, so the traffic never gets enough time to move more than one car at a time, great traffic planning that. Niel. |
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"Ian F." writes:
Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Shoot them and burn the bodies? Isn't there a pressure organisation or something? How can we (pedestrians) help? I occasionally comment when I judge I'm not likely to get punched in the face for doing so, but I can see little else. Many cyclists tend to write in in support of enforcement initiatives when reported in the press, as well. That reminds me, there's a sad letter in the Metro I should respond to. (Someone hit and injured by a pavement cyclist who doesn't know they _can_ get compensation). A |
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Tom Anderson wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 9 Sep 2004:
Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... The trouble is, for every sensible, courteous and law-abiding cyclist, as members of this group surely are, there are enough of the other kind.... I, as a pedestrian, was very nearly run over two days ago by a cyclist who decided that the red light didn't apply to him - this was a Pelican crossing, or whatever they're called nowadays. I'm in my 50s and agile, but what if I'd been in my 80s and slow? I'd have had no chance at all against him.... And, like motorists, or bus drivers, come to that, the few ghastly ones tar all the good ones with the same brush. -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ |
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Ian F. wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 9 Sep 2004:
Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Isn't there a pressure organisation or something? How can we (pedestrians) help? One elderly, lame old girl of my acquaintance more or less forces them to stop by waving her walking-stick in front of them and says, very calmly, "Now, either get off your bike, or get off the pavement!" I don't suppose it does anything to help, but *she* feels better! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ |
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Dave Kahn wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 9 Sep 2004:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:32:17 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote: Ah, so you haven't heard that cyclists have above-average income, are more likely to own a house, a car and any other measure of material wealth except a satellite dish (and that's probably changed now the Tour is on ITV2). Nonsense. The discerning cyclist gets ITV2 on Freeview. Except that coverage is better on Eurosport and you can't bloody GET that on Freeview any more. WAIL! I WANT EUROSPORT..... -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ |
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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message
Except that coverage is better on Eurosport and you can't bloody GET that on Freeview any more. WAIL! I WANT EUROSPORT..... -- There may be more of it on Eurosport, but last time I watched it there the commentary was so boring and off the point that I swore never again. Phil, Gary and Paul are far better. By the way, you never could get Eurosport on Freeview, that was back in the days of ITV Digital. |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Ian F. wrote:
"David Splett" wrote in message ... It might be a downright refusal on your part, but it's not a very clever one. I'm not claiming it *is* clever. It's just my daft little protest against people using our roads who don't pay for them! ;-) You are trying to out-John-Rowland John Rowland, AICMFP. When I'm cycling and I encounter cars that haven't stopped in the correct place, I simply pass over the ASL and stop in front of them. ASL? Arsehole Separation Line - it separates mine from the ones driving cars. See: http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/16.shtml (section 154) Why not just learn to drive your vehicle correctly, I do drive my vehicle correctly. I seriously considered the possibility that you were just trolling, but then i remembered how most drivers actually drive. yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. I'm usually too busy raping nuns and schoolteachers to do that on my way to work. tom -- The revolving disc of plagues is particularly fun. -- greengolux |
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On 10 Sep 2004, Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
"Ian F." writes: Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Shoot them and burn the bodies? This is a really stupid suggestion. We *obviously* need to string the bodies up in a public place, pour encourager les autres. tom -- The revolving disc of plagues is particularly fun. -- greengolux |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Danny Colyer wrote:
POB's tend to be relatively slow cyclists (except for those couriers that I've read about). So a POB will sail past a Real Cyclist at a red light, then get in the way when the Real Cyclist catches up after the lights change. Repeatedly, when there are as many traffic lights as in London. I have nothing to add to this; i just wanted to say that THIS DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY ****ING INSANE!!! These idiots should not be allowed to ride a bike. Or to breed. Or, in fact, to live. It's not just that they're not as quick as me - and i'm not exactly a speed demon - but that they actually seem to trying to go as slowly as they can. I think it's the same people who handle any bit of acceleration, no matter how tiny, by hoisting themselves up off their seats and putting all their weight on it, like they were ****ing King of the Mountains or something. IT'S A FLAT ROAD! YOU CAN ACCELERATE SITTING DOWN! /rant More seriously, and in the spirit of Hanlon's Razor, i wonder if it's a gear thing: these people don't realise you need to use a low gear to accelerate, so they're trying to do everything in top, so they wear themselves out and don't go very fast. I know it took me a long time to get the feel for the right cadence, despite years of my dad nagging me to shift down and speed up *every* time we went biking (or perhaps because of ....), so if people haven't had any teaching at all, maybe they just don't know. tom -- The revolving disc of plagues is particularly fun. -- greengolux |
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David Splett wrote:
Unfortunately the thought process of most drivers doesn't extend this far. I'd say bikes cause far less delay to cars than any form of motorized vehicle. Yesterday cycling up the Strand to Trafalgar Square the motorised vehicles were causing me a lot of delay. I got off and walked along the pavement and was still way quicker than the cars, taxis, vans and buses in the queue Tony |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... Did that yesterday in London to get to the ASL. When I got there the car at the front sounded its horn and then pulled away through a red light. Sometimes getting in front of the cyclist is just too important for some drivers. Tony |
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Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
"Ian F." writes: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message ... Sadly, this also seems to apply at red lights. I've lost count of how many times i've cycled up alongside a line of traffic at some lights and come to rest a little way ahead of the stop line (i'm a sinner, i know), only for the car next to me to rev up and move forward all of six inches to draw level ... rant I downright refuse to stop before that green bit at the front of the lights that meant for cyclists - I always stop on it! Why should the miserable, pavement-pedallers have any more of the road than they already have? They've got one lane, now they want two extra! When they pay road tax like we do, then I might consider it! /rant Good point. It's important to get your money's worth from your road tax. Perhaps we cyclists should run a critical mass on the M25 to get our money's worth from out income and other taxes ;-^) Tony |
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Ian F. wrote:
I just hate cyclists and the way they (present company excepted) reckon they own the road - riding on the pavement, jumping red lights, yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. We learnt if from the motorists ;-) Tony |
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Henry wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 10 Sep 2004:
By the way, you never could get Eurosport on Freeview, that was back in the days of ITV Digital. I know, which was why we got ITV Digital in the first place! And we can't get satellite here, as it's a block of flats (although we hope they will be putting up a communal dish soon, it can't be too soon for me, as the skating season is just starting), there's no cable, and reception on Freeview and its predecessors is ruddy awful. Sigh. -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ |
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Ian F. wrote:
"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... Do you not think that the best way to make the roads a better place is to set a good example, rather than try and out-idiot the idiots? I've learned, today, the difference between Real Cyclists and People On Bikes. I knew nothing about that before. Thanks. Ian Its easy to tell them apart. Real Cyclists are invisible to motorists who only see POBs ;-) Tony |
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Ian F. wrote:
Isn't there anything you cyclists can do, as a group, to stop these idiots cycling on pavements, running red lights and so on? Isn't there a pressure organisation or something? How can we (pedestrians) help? You could always lobby your councillors to stop painting those stupid white lines and bicycle signs on the pavements. The majority of real cyclists would happily be rid of them and take their place as part of the normal traffic on roads. Tony |
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Tony Raven typed
Its easy to tell them apart. Real Cyclists are invisible to motorists who only see POBs ;-) Sorry mate, I didn't see you... ;-) -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
... On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:34:08 +0100, "Ian F." wrote in message : I'm not claiming it *is* clever. It's just my daft little protest against people using our roads who don't pay for them! ;-) Ah, so you haven't heard that cyclists have above-average income, are more likely to own a house, a car and any other measure of material wealth except a satellite dish (and that's probably changed now the Tour is on ITV2). In other words, cyclists probably pay more tax than you do. And then leave the car at home - smart people! I'm getting a feeling of deja-vu I do drive my vehicle correctly. And I'm not tense, or stressed, or prone to flagellatory flights of fancy. I just hate cyclists and the way they (present company excepted) reckon they own the road - riding on the pavement, jumping red lights, yelling abuse at elderly people and so on. Ah, so you are going to break your word and drive incorrectly (i.e. illegally) based on the behaviour of a small group of cyclists who, incidentally, are every bit as unpopular with us cyclists as they are with cagers. I wouldn't classify them as a small group, especially in London. Do you not think that the best way to make the roads a better place is to set a good example, rather than try and out-idiot the idiots? Ahh, sense. |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:05:14 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote in message : POB's tend to be relatively slow cyclists (except for those couriers that I've read about). So a POB will sail past a Real Cyclist at a red light, then get in the way when the Real Cyclist catches up after the lights change. Repeatedly, when there are as many traffic lights as in London. I have nothing to add to this; i just wanted to say that THIS DRIVES ME ABSOLUTELY ****ING INSANE!!! These idiots should not be allowed to ride a bike. Or to breed. Or, in fact, to live. It pains me, as a notorious woolly liberal, to have to agree wholeheartedly. Riding in the smoke the other day along one of those hellish contraflow cycle lanes bounded by high kerbs (so overtaking was almost impossible) a long line of cyclists finally managed to pass an 8mph old codger on a gas-pipe Raleigh, only to have him wobble straight past, across a red light and into the next section ahead of the line. I really did come very close to kicking the old fart off his bike. And I really am the most gentle of souls, I can only remember ever hitting one person in my life, and that in self-defence after I was amushed by a group of yobs. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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