On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Richard J. wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Dave
Arquati) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , (Dave
Arquati) wrote:

You have routes like the N74 (Roehampton - Putney), N28
(Wandsworth - Camden Town) and N31 (Clapham Junction - Kilburn)
which cross the centre without terminating.

How does the N74 cross the centre between Roehampton and Putney
then?

Oops. I was trying to correct Putney to Roehampton, but
accidentally corrected Baker Street to Roehampton. It's meant to be
Baker Street to Roehampton.

Thanks. I'm not sure I even count Roehampton to Baker Street as
crossing the centre either as it happens.

Depends on your definition of the centre! It enters the congestion
charging zone and it spends a significant portion of its journey in
Zone 1.

Doesn't go anywhere central, though, does it? Hyde Park Corner? Park
Lane? Marble Arch? All distinctly west.

Considering that Hyde Park Corner was at one time the point from which
distances from London were measured (before being replaced for that task
by Charing Cross), it would seem to eminently central.

Key phrases here are "was at one time", "were measured", and "before being
replaced", all of which pertain to past states of affairs, rather than
those holding at the present .

The centre of London is like the magnetic north pole - it drifts. In
particular, it seems to drift from palace to palace - from the Tower, to
Buck House (the era when Hyde Park Corner was central, presumably), to
Westminster, and, most recently, the Palace Theatre.

tom

--
It's almost over now.

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Dave Arquati)
wrote:


I'm not sure I even count Roehampton to Baker Street as
crossing the centre either as it happens.

Depends on your definition of the centre! It enters the congestion
charging zone and it spends a significant portion of its journey in
Zone 1.


Doesn't cross Zone 1 and emerge the other side though.

This could go on for a while. Shall we forget about the N74?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Dave Arquati wrote:


Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , (Dave Arquati)
wrote:


Colin Rosenstiel wrote:


In article , (Dave
Arquati) wrote:


You have routes like the N74 (Roehampton - Putney), N28
(Wandsworth - Camden Town) and N31 (Clapham Junction - Kilburn) which
cross the centre without terminating.

How does the N74 cross the centre between Roehampton and Putney then?

Oops. I was trying to correct Putney to Roehampton, but accidentally
corrected Baker Street to Roehampton. It's meant to be Baker Street to
Roehampton.

Thanks. I'm not sure I even count Roehampton to Baker Street as crossing
the centre either as it happens.

Depends on your definition of the centre! It enters the congestion
charging zone and it spends a significant portion of its journey in Zone
1.


Doesn't go anywhere central, though, does it? Hyde Park Corner? Park Lane?
Marble Arch? All distinctly west.

Don't say that to all those bloody tourists queueing at Gloucester Road
on a Saturday morning for day travelcards. They might think their hotels
weren't central enough.

Aka why the hotels near Paddington station are a very good idea - you
have the FGW ticket office as well as the LU one to choose from.

"UM Pston" wrote in message
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Paul Weaver wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:18:58 +0000, umpston wrote:
Yes you are. There is no need for an hour less of useful workers - in
todays "can do" society companies can just change their shifts to
match the
tubes. Or helpfully advise their employees to get bikes. Anybody
else has
no business to be up at such unearthly hours on the weekend.

A another 9-5 shiftist.

No. I work when I feel like it, whether it be 10-6 or 7-3. I'd
recommend the same for anybody.

Still the same, 8 hours 5 days single minded biggotry

--
Everything above is the personal opinion of the author, and nothing to do
with where he works and all that lovely disclaimery stuff.
Posted in his lunch hour too.

So we disadvantage the early morning traveller getting to work WITH a
ticket, in favour of the drunk, abusive chav, without a ticket, Nurse
Nurse more drugs please.

Mad Von Clinkerhoffen

Phil Richards wrote:
redtube wrote:


"A plan to run London Underground services for an extra hour on Friday
and Saturday nights will be put to Londoners, the Mayor has said.

Oh yeah are they going to put the idea to the Train Ops as well?


So a change to rosters, perhaps. What's wrong with that? Most staff who
finish work late in the day will still have to rely upon getting home by
car or night bus with the existing arrangements, I can't see what extra
difficulties will be met with finishing say an hour or two later two
nights a week.

It seems the case is clear. You can have a later closed close down time
at Weekends at the expense of a later start up time the following
mornings? Perhaps we ought to be questioning whether or not the
maintenance work can be fitted around slightly longer operational hours
by retaining existing start up times and for two nights a week just
loosing an hour or two at the end of the day.

General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 1 Dec
2004:

So we disadvantage the early morning traveller getting to work WITH a
ticket, in favour of the drunk, abusive chav, without a ticket, Nurse
Nurse more drugs please.

But I wonder how many people actually *need* to get to work at, for
instance, 6.00 am on a Sunday? Sure, some do, but it is only a very
small minority of people who would be seriously inconvenienced. Besides
which, AIUI, this is a proposal, not a done deed - and a proposal means
just that - you can write and say "Oi, what about me and my ilk?" and
put the case for the status quo.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 28 November 2004

Oh dear Mrs Redboots.....no one gets to work on the tube at 6am on a
sunday......there is a fair few people getting to work at 7am though. Oh and
a huge amount of people going home from the night before! Always makes an
interesting early shift....the new lovers...the dumped partners.....quite
amazing!!


"Mrs Redboots" wrote in message
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General Von Clinkerhoffen wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 1 Dec
2004:

So we disadvantage the early morning traveller getting to work WITH a
ticket, in favour of the drunk, abusive chav, without a ticket, Nurse
Nurse more drugs please.

But I wonder how many people actually *need* to get to work at, for
instance, 6.00 am on a Sunday? Sure, some do, but it is only a very
small minority of people who would be seriously inconvenienced. Besides
which, AIUI, this is a proposal, not a done deed - and a proposal means
just that - you can write and say "Oi, what about me and my ilk?" and
put the case for the status quo.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 28 November 2004

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:23:18 GMT, "Malcolm & Nika"
wrote:

Oh dear Mrs Redboots.....no one gets to work on the tube at 6am on a
sunday......there is a fair few people getting to work at 7am though. Oh and
a huge amount of people going home from the night before! Always makes an
interesting early shift....the new lovers...the dumped partners.....quite
amazing!!

Which is why Ken is consulting on the proposals - he doesn't have to.
He could just bulldoze them through....

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
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"UM Pston" wrote in message
om...
Paul Weaver wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:18:58 +0000, umpston wrote:
Yes you are. There is no need for an hour less of useful workers -
in
todays "can do" society companies can just change their shifts to
match the
tubes. Or helpfully advise their employees to get bikes. Anybody
else has
no business to be up at such unearthly hours on the weekend.

A another 9-5 shiftist.

No. I work when I feel like it, whether it be 10-6 or 7-3. I'd
recommend the same for anybody.

Still the same, 8 hours 5 days single minded biggotry

I may be opinionated, flippant and a little rude sometimes but bigoted? It
appears you are the one with a prejudice - are you seriously suggesting
there is something wrong with working regular hours? Many people like it.
I don't think it would suit me but I have no quarrel in principle with
anyone who prefers an alternative lifestyle to mine.

Malcolm & Nika wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 1 Dec 2004:

Oh dear Mrs Redboots.....no one gets to work on the tube at 6am on a
sunday......there is a fair few people getting to work at 7am though. Oh and
a huge amount of people going home from the night before! Always makes an
interesting early shift....the new lovers...the dumped partners.....quite
amazing!!


I sometimes get an early (6.30 ish) bus down to Streatham on a Sunday
morning - time was, before they improved bus timetables, it would be the
first bus of the day, full of home-bound revellers, and smelling of
beer!
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 28 November 2004