In message . 170,
Adrian writes

Anyway - The question is... Will LU reflect this in extending the time of
the last trains? It's a bit pointless pubs applying for later licences if
people still have to leave at the same time to get home.

Clubs have been opening until the wee small hours for more years than I
can remember, and LU doesn't run late tubes for their benefit - I don't
think it likely that we will do so for pub-goers either (other than the
possible extra hour at weekends currently under discussion).

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Adrian wrote:
Christine ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I don't think it fair that LU should stay open later to accomodate
late night revellers, whilst starting later in the mornings, causing
hard working Londoners grief in getting to work. It's us Londoners
that keep London going.

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

And do they really use the full close-time every night?

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?
The 5.30 am start isn't the problem as the late start would only be
needed on Saturday and Sunday unless of course the masses decide to
binge drink Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday
night aswell. The trouble is would it be reasonable in a city like
London to expect 6.30 start on Saturdays and 7.30 on Sundays. Add to
that late running engineering work and you wont be able to get into
London until 9am on a Saturday and God knows what time on a Sunday.
Now Ken was going on about the reduction in retail spending as a result
of the bombing. Will the retail organisations allow the late running to
go ahead, I don't think so.

Kevin

) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?
The 5.30 am start isn't the problem as the late start would only be
needed on Saturday and Sunday unless of course the masses decide to
binge drink Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday
night aswell.

I'm not quite sure why you think that pubs staying open for a little longer
necessarily implies "binge drinking"?

"Adrian" wrote in message
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How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

First trains are fairly busy, subsequent ones not so.

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It doesn't imply binge drinking anymore than when licencing laws were
amended before that it implied an increase in binge drinking but I bet
that is what will happen.

Kevin

"Adrian" wrote in message
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Richard J. ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Otherwise, use night buses.

There's a tube station at the end of my road.

The nearest a Night Bus gets to me is about 15 miles away.


Which tube station is it?

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Adrian wrote:

Richard J. ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Otherwise, use night buses.

There's a tube station at the end of my road.

The nearest a Night Bus gets to me is about 15 miles away.

Do you live somewhere freakish and wrong, like Amersham, or are you just
the victim of amazingly bad planning?

tom

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Tom Anderson ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Otherwise, use night buses.

There's a tube station at the end of my road.

The nearest a Night Bus gets to me is about 15 miles away.

Do you live somewhere freakish and wrong, like Amersham, or are you just
the victim of amazingly bad planning?

Chalfont & Latimer lies between here and Amersham.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Alan OBrien wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
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a Tracy Emin reinterpretation of a Hogarth painting.

I have _no idea what this means_ and yet i love the description.

Anyway - The question is... Will LU reflect this in extending the time
of the last trains? It's a bit pointless pubs applying for later
licences if people still have to leave at the same time to get home.

I suppose people will have to drink in a pub near home.

Or catch a night bus. Or cycle.

I don't see why the tube should close at night. People will say it is
for engineering work to be carried out. Hooey. EW starts at about 1:00am
and finishes at about 4:30 or 5:00am - and what is done in those 3-4hrs?
As Michael Kenyon showed, very little. The only way to get things done
on the track is by line closures. The Central Line closed last year for
months - unfortunaltely LUL did not have the money to make use of the
time to do large-scale work. But it showed that LUL *can* close a line
for a few months and get everything done.

I think there are two kinds of maintenance. One is minor, routine stuff,
like replacing lost rail clip thingummies and sweeping up train fluff or
whatever, and the other is serious engineering. The former is why we have
the few-hour overnight closures - it needs to be done often, but doesn't
take long. The latter is why we have weekend and multi-week closures.

I do wonder if the routine stuff could be done every other night, though;
if we could have half the tube lines open each night, that would make a
colossal difference.

Alternatively, spend some money on getting, say, the Central and Northern
lines to the state where they can run all night almost every night (buying
extra-strong rail clips and shaving the trains, say), and use those as the
backbone of an all-night transport system.

I say let three or four lines run all night long, with trains about
every 10 minutes.

I say that too.

tom

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On 18 Aug 2005 08:52:53 GMT, Adrian wrote:

How busy are the trains at 5.30am?

And do they really use the full close-time every night?

Are other similar systems closed for five hours every night?

Hamburg's used to be, but now operates 24 hours a day at weekends.
Parts of the system are rather old but have not been allowed to get
into the embarassing and disgraceful state of LUL.

The night bus system, OTOH, is easy to understand and entirely
acceptable, if a little slow. That said, the night buses are not
busy, because clubbers tend to go out late on the weekend (say leave
the house at 10pm) and return home on the first train (~5am). I can
see this culture developing in London. If it does, an *earlier* start
is what's needed, not a later finish.

Incidentally, I don't see why some consider it is not a requirement to
provide public transport for revellers. Why is it any less a
requirement to provide for them than for customers of other businesses
during the day?

Neil

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