"PRAR" wrote in message
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DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to
Cambridge
Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:04:28 +0100, Roland Perry

In message .com, at
14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter
remarked:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006",

The new timetable starts then.

from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday.



Is this only for out-boundary Travel Cards or can you really not use
travel card for journeys suchas Moorgate - Finsbury Park?

As I read the leaflet you can use any ODTC, including an out-boundary one,
for an evening peak journey entirely within the Travelcard zones.

Peter

Peter Masson wrote:

I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains
which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs
are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys.
Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the
leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C
northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C
station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the
same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C
station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where
you split your ticket.

I think the leaflet is badly-worded, and it would in fact be necessary
to split tickets to get around the restriction. While FCC have no
control over what happens within the Travelcard area as such, it is
surprising that the restrictions have not been applied closer in.

Neil

DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to
Cambridge
Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:18:01 +0100, asdf


NCoC:

"'Break your journey' means leaving a Train Company's or Rail Service
Company's premises after you start your journey other than to:

-Join a train at another station, or

-Stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day, or

-comply with directions of Train Company's staff."


I think it's quite clear that starting at Cambridge on an Ely-London
ticket doesn't fit the definition of a BoJ.


So break you journey immediately at Ely then restart it at Cambridge,
having made your own way between the two stations.

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On 6 Jun 2006 12:48:07 -0700, "Neil Williams"
wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:

I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains
which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs
are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys.
Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the
leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C
northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C
station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the
same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C
station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where
you split your ticket.

I think the leaflet is badly-worded, and it would in fact be necessary
to split tickets to get around the restriction. While FCC have no
control over what happens within the Travelcard area as such, it is
surprising that the restrictions have not been applied closer in.

I think they would have applied them further in if they could have got
away with it.

I've forgotten which ticket types are subject to controls as part of the
privatisation process - I assume CDRs are not part of the regulated
bundle of ticket types? I can vaguely understand why an Inter City
train operator may wish to impose some restrictions on some journeys but
this is blatant profiteering by First. It must also have been endorsed
by the DfT as part of accepting the franchise proposals - I wonder when
GoVia will introduce the same policy on the South Eastern franchise.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

In article ,
Paul Corfield wrote:

Oyster cards have a very limited applicability to the issue under
discussion. There is a limited amount of Pre-Pay acceptance on the FCC
lines across zone 1 for Thameslink and Moorgate / KX - Finsbury Park for
the Cambridge / Peterborough lines. The only other ticket in Oyster
format would be a Travelcard based season which is not affected by the
new restrictions.

My reasoning is that when I go to London, I can buy a standard return (and
therefore use peak time trains), and use the Oyster for Underground travel.
At the moment I'm buying a day return from Cambridge to London/Travelcard
combined ticket.

In article . com,
Sam Holloway wrote:

So what's to stop Cambridge travellers buying an Ely-London cheap day
return and using that? Does the small print prevent this?

Will the ticket offices at Cambridge sell that one?

Failing that, I guess I could always either drive to Ely (despite living
within short walking distance of Cambridge station), or buy a single to Ely,
and then a travelcard once at Ely.

Sarah Brown wrote:
Will the ticket offices at Cambridge sell that one?

They should do: all stations should sell all tickets available on the
national network. (Excluding 'experimental' fares like Megatrain). I'm not
quite sure of where to find the rules stating that to wave at them though.

Failing that, I guess I could always either drive to Ely (despite living
within short walking distance of Cambridge station), or buy a single to Ely,
and then a travelcard once at Ely.

You could also buy your tickets on the internet and collect them from the
machines at Cambridge once that's enabled (though I note they currently have
notices saying pre-booked tickets should be collected from the ticket
office, which surprised me since Qjump etc don't list Cambridge as a
collection point so I thought collection wasn't officially provided at
Cambridge). Or buy them in advance from the advance purchase window.

Theo

Sarah Brown wrote:
Sam Holloway wrote:
So what's to stop Cambridge travellers buying an Ely-London cheap day
return and using that? Does the small print prevent this?

Will the ticket offices at Cambridge sell that one?

Failing that, I guess I could always either drive to Ely (despite living
within short walking distance of Cambridge station), or buy a single to Ely,
and then a travelcard once at Ely.

Sadly, tickets are non-transferrable, otherwise I could start a
lucrative business buying tickets for people in Ely station and posting
them to Cambridge. :-)

You can certainly buy tickets from Ely that start at Cambridge (e.g. if
you hold Ely-Cam season ticket and want to travel to London, you can
buy the Cam-London part from Ely).

Sam

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:58:03 +0100, Peter Masson wrote:

I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains
which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs
are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys.
Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the
leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C
northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C
station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the
same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C
station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where
you split your ticket.

That would be hugely inconvenient if you live north of about Welwyn
GC, as you'd have to get an all-stations service at least as far as
Potters Bar. It could (at a guess) add 30-60 minutes to your journey
(your usual train could be first stop Letchworth or St Neots).

On 6 Jun 2006 08:42:34 -0700, Rob wrote:

I read in a St Albans paper that you can get an unrestricted day return
to Elstree and Borehamwood, and then a zone 6 travelcard from there.
Works out much cheaper than buying a full priced Travelcard from St
Albans. Dont know if anyone can confirm this

Yes, but only if you travel on trains that call at Elstree &
Borehamwood.