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London Terminals and Thameslink
I know this is a bit of an old chestnut, but having sifted through a
few previous discussions here on Google Groups I'm still a little unclear on what the ticketing rules are. I'm hoping the oracles of this ng might be able to offer clarification. (1) A ticket from Herne Hill (south London) to London Terminals is obviously valid to Blackfriars, am I correct in saying it's valid to City Thameslink as well? I presume it's not valid any further north than that. (2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific destinations named, is this the case? (3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink / City Thameslink)? And if a passenger is coming from Luton on a ticket with the destination 'London Terminals' can they go any further south on the Thameslink route than Kings Cross Thameslink? (4) 'London Thameslink' was mentioned in previous posts as a destination - does this mean anything, or was it just a virtual destination used for some reason solely during the Thameslink blockade? If anyone can throw some light on this it'd be much appreciated. |
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On 5 Jul 2006 08:23:45 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote:
I know this is a bit of an old chestnut, but having sifted through a few previous discussions here on Google Groups I'm still a little unclear on what the ticketing rules are. I'm hoping the oracles of this ng might be able to offer clarification. I'm probably way out of date but here goes. (1) A ticket from Herne Hill (south London) to London Terminals is obviously valid to Blackfriars, am I correct in saying it's valid to City Thameslink as well? I presume it's not valid any further north than that. I believe this is correct. (2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific destinations named, is this the case? No it would be issued to U1 and would thus be valid to any LU station in Zone 1. (3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink / City Thameslink)? To the specific named station once north of Kings Cross Thameslink. And if a passenger is coming from Luton on a ticket with the destination 'London Terminals' can they go any further south on the Thameslink route than Kings Cross Thameslink? No they cannot except on peak trains to Moorgate - I think! (4) 'London Thameslink' was mentioned in previous posts as a destination - does this mean anything, or was it just a virtual destination used for some reason solely during the Thameslink blockade? No idea at all. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Thanks v much for your answers Paul. I've highlighted a possible
confusion below... Paul Corfield wrote: On 5 Jul 2006 08:23:45 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote: (snip) (2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific destinations named, is this the case? No it would be issued to U1 and would thus be valid to any LU station in Zone 1. (3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink / City Thameslink)? To the specific named station once north of Kings Cross Thameslink. I think there's a bit of confusion here - for this third query I was wondering what happens when travelling *from* north London / north of London to central London - .e.g. for a Cricklewood to KX Thameslink journey would the ticket issued be to the destination 'London Terminals'. Presumably if the journey was Cricklewood to Farringdon or City Thameslink the ticket would be issued to U1 - I wonder if this would also be the case if their destination was Blackfriars or Elephant & Castle? |
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(3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say
Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink / City Thameslink)? To the specific named station once north of Kings Cross Thameslink. I think there's a bit of confusion here - for this third query I was wondering what happens when travelling *from* north London / north of London to central London - .e.g. for a Cricklewood to KX Thameslink journey would the ticket issued be to the destination 'London Terminals'. Presumably if the journey was Cricklewood to Farringdon or City Thameslink the ticket would be issued to U1 - I wonder if this would also be the case if their destination was Blackfriars or Elephant & Castle? From stations north of London on the Thameslink route, tickets are issued to 'London Terminals' for St. Pancras and Kings Cross Thameslink and to 'London Thameslink' for Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, City Thameslink, Blackfriars and London Bridge. 'London Thameslink' tickets are for Thameslink (FCC) only and not valid on the tube. For destinations in zone 1, tickets are issued to U12 to allow interchange at West Hampstead. Note that from Bedford at least, an all day travelcard is cheaper than a standard return to Zone 1, so will be issued if anyone asks for a return to a Zone 1 destination. -- Peter |
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Note that from Bedford at least, an all day travelcard is cheaper than a standard return to Zone 1, so will be issued if anyone asks for a return to a Zone 1 destination. Is that still true with the evening peak travel restrictions now? Sorry for the confusion, the naming isn't entirely clear, an 'all day travelcard' is the peak version, a 'one day travelcard' is the off-peak version. Before the January 2006 fare changes, the all day travelcard was more expensive than a standard (peak) return to U12, but since then it has become cheaper, so there is now no requirement for a return to any tube station, as the travelcard is cheaper. The new evening peak restrictions do not apply to this ticket, as it is a peak ticket anyway. -- Peter |
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On 5 Jul 2006 08:23:45 -0700, Mizter T wrote:
I know this is a bit of an old chestnut, but having sifted through a few previous discussions here on Google Groups I'm still a little unclear on what the ticketing rules are. I'm hoping the oracles of this ng might be able to offer clarification. Some of your questions are answered on page A5 of the NFM: http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM/sectiona.pdf Basically, a ticket to London Terminals is not valid for journeys to or via Farringdon. The appropriate ticket for journeys to or via Farringdon depends on where you're travelling to, where you're travelling from, and whether it's a season or a single/return. |
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asdf wrote:
Some of your questions are answered on page A5 of the NFM: http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM/sectiona.pdf Basically, a ticket to London Terminals is not valid for journeys to or via Farringdon. The appropriate ticket for journeys to or via Farringdon depends on where you're travelling to, where you're travelling from, and whether it's a season or a single/return. Thanks for that, as far as I can see page A5 answers nearly all my questions (though it doesn't entirely answer question (2)). For the record I'll provide the answer to my own queries (quoted text is from my original post)... (1) A ticket from Herne Hill (south London) to London Terminals is obviously valid to Blackfriars, am I correct in saying it's valid to City Thameslink as well? I presume it's not valid any further north than that. Any ticket from the south to London Terminals is valid as far as City Thameslink and no further. (2) For travel from Herne Hill to Farringdon or Kings Cross Thameslink presumably a ticket is issued with either of those specific destinations named, is this the case? For a journey to Farringdon the NFM says "where possible use specific fares from Section B2 or C" - i.e. it would be issued to 'Farringdon Und'. The NFM doesn't specifically say what to do if such a fare is unavailable but on reading other information on the page I presume a ticket to U1 would be issued. The NFM does not specify what ticket would be issued for journeys from the south to Kings Cross Thameslink - I'd be interested to know if it would be issued to KX Thameslink specifically or just to U1. Does anyone know for sure? (3) When travelling from the north of the Thameslink route (say Cricklewood) into central London, are tickets issued to 'London Terminals' or to specific named stations (e.g. Kings Cross Thameslink / City Thameslink)? "From stations between Bedford and West Hampstead Thameslink inclusive, tickets (other than Season Tickets) are available to London Thameslink (NLC 4452) and such tickets are valid to ALL the stations on the map." (The stations on the map are KX Thameslink, Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, City Thameslink, Blackfriars, London Bridge and Elephant & Castle.) "Season tickets from stations between Bedford and West Hampstead Thameslink inclusive must be issued to the customer's chosen named station, e.g. King's Cross Thameslink, Farringdon Und, Moorgate Und, London Bridge." And if a passenger is coming from Luton on a ticket with the destination 'London Terminals' can they go any further south on the Thameslink route than Kings Cross Thameslink? No, KX Thameslink is as far as they could go. Passengers who want to go to the central London Thameslink stations would be sold a ticket to 'London Thameslink' as detailed above. (4) 'London Thameslink' was mentioned in previous posts as a destination - does this mean anything, or was it just a virtual destination used for some reason solely during the Thameslink blockade? Yes it means something - see the answer to question (3) above. |
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Mizter T wrote:
The NFM does not specify what ticket would be issued for journeys from the south to Kings Cross Thameslink - I'd be interested to know if it would be issued to KX Thameslink specifically or just to U1. Does anyone know for sure? At Gatwick Airport recently I purchased a single to King's Cross Thameslink. The ticket stated that KXTL was the destination, and it bore the words "Route Thameslink". PaulO |
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Southern seem to have not read these instructions on the ATOC page, as
I have numerous problems with this issue. I travel from Brockley (South London, near New Cross) to Kings Cross Thameslink. A return fare for KXT costs £1.60, the same as a return to London Terminals (that's with railcard discount). Herein lies the problem. If you go to the ticket machine, and request a KXT ticket, you'll be confronted with two options - KXT, or KXT (not via Underground). Both of these cost £1.60. I generally choose the first one (as it implies you can go via Underground... is that true?). However, when it prints this ticket, it prints out a London Terminals ticket. If you do choose the not via Underground ticket, you do get a KXT ticket. Sometimes I go from New Cross, or St Johns, both on South Eastern, rather than Southern. Their price for KXT is different (15p more than London Terminals), and therefore it doesn't have the problem of printing the London Terminals ticket. I assume the problem is that Southern haven't programmed their ticketing system properly, which is why I get a ticket for London Terminals. Fortunately, the gates at KXT will more or less let anything through, shown by my getting through once despite having put my return ticket in rather than my out part! |
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