Which leads me to the question in the thread header: why don't tube
staff enforce the one way systems properly? It's not just at TCR,

Other favourites:
Notting Hill Gate, Central-Circle

Oxford Circus Vic-Central is clearly longer to go than CentralVic so
plenty of people go via the unsigned route against the flow

Kings X Picc/Circle cuts across the top of the Vic escalators

Kings X design in general is poorly signed

Shep Bush Central entry/exit - pax going w/b use the w/b exit instead of
the e/b entrance and crossing platforms.

I wasn't sure about Knightsbridge the other day when the walkway from
Harrods had lots of "keep right" signage until you get to the three
escalators when you had to swap to the left, that's bright

Isn't this just a symptom of selfish life these days with a minority having
no respect for anyone and exist just to take as much out of life as they
can without contributing anything back?

I don't blame staff for not enforcing this, they're at a high enough risk
of being assaulted in that line of work without provoking it. Some simple
turnstiles would probably do the job

D

Jack Taylor wrote:
wrote:
Which leads me to the question in the thread header: why don't tube
staff enforce the one way systems properly?

Probably because it is legally unenforceable. Other than having an LUL
member of staff berating travellers there's not much that they can actually
do about it - and staff can be better utilised doing other things, I
suspect.

Actually, it's covered by the LU (and Railway) Byelaws. Specifically,
Byelaw 9(4):

quote

Where there is a notice by an entrance or exit on any part of the
railway indicating that it shall be used for entrance or exit only, no
person shall enter by the exit or leave by the entrance. No person shall
enter or leave by an emergency exit except in an emergency or when
directed to do so by an authorised person.

/quote

Maximum penalty for a breach of any of the Byelaws (except the one
regarding Compulsory Ticket Areas, for some reason) is currently £1000
*per offence*.

And in the case of Byelaw 9, that also applies for an *attempted* breach.

Having said that, *if* anything is done, it's most likely that you'd be
asked to leave the station (and assisted to do so using "reasonable
force" if necessary), rather than being arrested.

Cheers,

Barry

Dave Plumb wrote:
I don't blame staff for not enforcing this, they're at a high enough risk
of being assaulted in that line of work without provoking it. Some simple
turnstiles would probably do the job

Exactly - this was my point in the intial post. All the staff had to
do at TCR was to extend the portable barrier a bit further.

As far as turnstiles or fixed barriers go, there may be some sort of
fire rules about them, but I'm not sure.

Patrick

d wrote:

And how many people do you put out by doing that? Remember - just because
something is beneficial to you, it doesn't mean it's beneficial to others.
What if you saving 3 seconds makes 40 other people delayed by 1 second each?
You would have selfishly exchanged 40 people/seconds of other peoples' time
for 3 people/seconds of your own.

Unless they are changing onto the Central line and miss their train as
a result of my action then I'm not really delaying them, whereas if
there is a train there then it's more urgent that I need to get through
to it. It doesn't help the fact that at Tottenham Court Road you then
have to walk quite a way up the platform you don't wish to use to
switch over to the Northbound one.

If there are people it's probably because there's a train there and I'm
not saving 3 seconds, I could be saving 8 minutes or more knowing the
Northern Line.

The signs are usually there for a reason.

To convenience those from the South. Probably the person who designed
it travelled in from the South.

Exactly - this was my point in the intial post. All the staff had to
do at TCR was to extend the portable barrier a bit further.

There used to be a bloke with the temp barriers at Notting Hill Gate each
morning and evening but he wouldn't bat an eyelid as people dodged around
the barriers.

I guess if you were starting from scratch you'd do it all different but
we're stuck with what we've got. But new stuff like the Kings X interchange
should have been better thought through, the whole thing is a mess with
people walking in all directions.

Also, why do they insist on putting tube maps inside stations at pinch
points? Kings Cross the map is right at the bottom of the stairs from the
mainline station

D

I exited TCR from the Northern yesterday lunchtime and although the tunnel between the platform and the escalators is pretty wide, I came up behind a family (mother, 2 children and granny) walking along 4 abreast holding hands. When I said 'excuse me' the mother looked round at me as if I was asking her to sacrifice one of her children, so I then said 'you can't just block the tunnels' at which point I got a torrent of abuse.

I can't help but wonder if her children learned any new words yesterday or if they are already part of their vocabulary?

A.

AndreaC wrote:

I exited TCR from the Northern yesterday lunchtime and although the
tunnel between the platform and the escalators is pretty wide, I came
up behind a family (mother, 2 children and granny) walking along 4
abreast holding hands. When I said 'excuse me' the mother looked round
at me as if I was asking her to sacrifice one of her children, so I
then said 'you can't just block the tunnels' at which point I got a
torrent of abuse.

I can't help but wonder if her children learned any new words yesterday
or if they are already part of their vocabulary?

Were you coming from the NOrth or from the South?