On Jul 10, 2:37 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, MIG wrote:
On Jul 10, 10:52 am, Tom Anderson wrote:

All that stuff about maps got me thinking. It should be possible to colour
in the lines on the London Connections map to show which termini trains
run to. Since i'm a dab hand with the Gimp, i thought i'd give it a go
myself. Here's the first draft, which so far only has the Paddington lines
done:

http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/tmp/Lon...(Coloured).png

This is actually based on the zones map, which doesn't attempt to
diagram the routes, it simply shows which stations the zones are in and
some rather bizarre routes between them (like the weird branch to Hither
Green between Lewisham and Blackheath).

True, but that's more or less what the tube map does too, so i'm not
overly bothered.

There is a London Connections map which would be a more useful starting
point and includes the zones as well.

Is there? Distinct from this map? Do you mean the NR one? If not, what?

The diagram that's been given out with the National Rail timetable for
years always had a kind of attempt at colouring routes according to
terminus,

This one:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system.../print_maps/Lo...


That's the one. It's not quite accurate around that area, but in
general it's more accurate (or less inaccurate) than the zones one.
It's not the same though, in that at least it doesn't show everything
going through Lewisham (station). It's a bit better on limited
service routes as well. Also, with most operators, the colours do
correspond to one terminus (I assume you wouldn't try to distinguish
Charing Cross from Cannon Street.)



?

I note that has the same treatment of Hither Green.

but the trouble is that it can result in having to have
parallel lines along certain routes,

Yes, this is inevitable, as with the LU network - you get just this all
around the Circle, out beyond Rayner's Lane, out to Barking, etc, but
nobody seems to have trouble with it. It's a bit worse on NR, but not
colossally so. If you look at the NR map above, no route is more than
three lines wide, except at London Bridge where it's arguably gratuitous.

or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

It's not the most awful thing about that map that comes (came) with
the timetable. I can't find it on the Web.



In the end, the grouping of services by TOC (or former BR division) is
more likely to correspond to some kind of operational reality without
creating incredible complication.

No, colouring by terminus is fine, as i will soon demonstrate!

tom

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:11:08 -0700, MIG wrote:

or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

It's not the most awful thing about that map that comes (came) with
the timetable. I can't find it on the Web.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...atic%20map.pdf

On Jul 10, 5:45 pm, asdf wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:11:08 -0700, MIG wrote:
or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

It's not the most awful thing about that map that comes (came) with
the timetable. I can't find it on the Web.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...lesMay07/Schem...


The very monstrosity I was thinking of; thanks.

On Jul 10, 6:05 pm, MIG wrote:
On Jul 10, 5:45 pm, asdf wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:11:08 -0700, MIG wrote:
or else sillinesses like having a colour for Charing Cross/Cannon Street
and then saying that the route from Dartford to Victoria is really
covered by Charing Cross services that go to Victoria, rather than have
two colours along the Bexleyheath line.

This is bad, wrong, and i will not be doing it.

It's not the most awful thing about that map that comes (came) with
the timetable. I can't find it on the Web.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...lesMay07/Schem...

The very monstrosity I was thinking of; thanks.



Mind you, they have recently fixed a few of the errors that had been
left untouched for years.

Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

On Jul 10, 6:39 pm, XmaX wrote:
Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.



All London stations probably have them when each new edition first
comes out, although the busier stations tend to run out quite soon.
You may find that stations away from London are more likely to have
some left over for longer after each new one comes out. So if you are
passing Oxted while the office is open ...

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, XmaX wrote:

Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere?

Your nearest colour printer!

tom

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:39:01 -0700, XmaX wrote:

Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

"One" had some on leaflet racks at Walthamstow Central recently but they
disappeared very rapidly indeed - I did manage to grab one. I would ask
at a National Rail ticket office or at a travel centre if you are near a
main line terminal station in Central London. TfL Travel Information
Centres might also have them but I don't think LU ticket offices hold
them.
--
Paul C


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XmaX wrote:
Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

Define pocket. I've never seen one the size of a small pocket tube map.
The information kiosk at Cambridge station usually seems to have some
larger brochure-sized maps.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Jul 10, 6:29 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
XmaX wrote:
Just a small diversion from the topic - is it possible to get a pocket
London Connections map form anywhere? The only place I saw it is on
the wall of the underground stations. It got a bit annoying when I
walked 10 minutes to a station, just to find out that it is in Z4,
when I have a Z1-4 travelcard.

Define pocket. I've never seen one the size of a small pocket tube map.
The information kiosk at Cambridge station usually seems to have some
larger brochure-sized maps.
--
Michael Hoffman
Pocket = something I can take, as opposed to look at the poster
Probably the easiest solution for me would just be to put an image of
the map to my mobile, I already have a London street map and the tube
map on it, so it should be enough.