Mizter T wrote:
"Walter Briscoe" wrote:
.... I can imagine that it might seem like an
attractive route option late at night after one has been imbibing in a
hostelry - or perhaps I should say that I can almost imagine that *my*
fuzzified mind might think along those lines! That's perhaps the worst time
to walk though because as well as the wobble factor some cars do speed
through there late at night ...

is officially shared by pedestrians and cyclists, but certainly no-one
will begrudge those cyclists who do take this subterranean route for
cycling on the pavement (which is what they do) given the very narrow
of the roadway.

I have walked through it once in each direction. It took me about 15
minutes. I would not recommend it because the pollution seems atrocious.
A dentist friend cycles it daily on his work journey. Cycles sensibly and
illegally use the footpath. I suggest using the wrong footpath as there
are some pretty wide, overhanging vehicles which squeeze through the 7' 6"
width restricting bollards. There are cameras on both approaches to
encourage compliance with the 20 limit.

Regarding cyclists, I think I've seen them going both directions on both
footpaths (but I've only ever seen a single cyclist down there at anyone
time). Your suggestion about using the 'wrong' footpath and facing the
oncoming traffic is of course most wise, though it does beg the question of
what might happen if two cyclists or a cyclist and one of these very rare
breed of hardy Rotherhithe Tunnel pedestrians might meet whilst down there!

It is of course not even remotely a sensible route for cyclists and
pedestrians, and it's not exactly that sensible a route for motor traffic
either!

I went through last week, southbound, in the middle of the day. The
tunnel goes went exactly where I was going, and with a lot more miles
to do that day I didn't fancy the detours via Greenwich or Tower
Bridge. The pollution didn't seem too bad - what got me was the slope up.

I didn't even consider using the footway. It looked about a yard wide,
and would have meant trying to ride a foot from the wall on one side
and the traffic on the other.

The slope in was a breeze - steady 22 mph, so no-one could complain
about being held up. On the way out speed gradually dropped to 13 -
somewhat annoying to those behind, but if you do the sums it probably
delayed them about 20 seconds compared to someone doing 20 all the way.

Of course, if I'd slowed below 10, they could have legally crossed the
solid white line to pass me - in the few gaps in traffic the other way.

However it's just one of the stupid things I feel I should do once - I won't
do it when inebriated though!

Certainly not stupid, and I'd do it again - but not very often and
probably not at busier times.

Colin McKenzie

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"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message
...
In message . com of Thu,
20 Sep 2007 09:03:36 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
writes

[snip]

The other fact I like about the Rotherhithe Tunnel is that alongside
the 34,000 vehicles that use it daily there are 20 brave pedestrians
who walk through it! I've no idea if the pavement through the tunnel

Where did you find that?

is officially shared by pedestrians and cyclists, but certainly no-one
will begrudge those cyclists who do take this subterranean route for
cycling on the pavement (which is what they do) given the very narrow
of the roadway.

I have walked through it once in each direction. It took me about 15
minutes. I would not recommend it because the pollution seems atrocious.
A dentist friend cycles it daily on his work journey. Cycles sensibly and
illegally use the footpath. I suggest using the wrong footpath as there
are some pretty wide, overhanging vehicles which squeeze through the 7' 6"
width restricting bollards. There are cameras on both approaches to
encourage compliance with the 20 limit.


Wasn't it built with separate entrance stairss for pedestrians, nearer the
river, a bit like the Greenwich foot tunnel? Are they the round buildings
you can see above the route?

Paul

On 20 Sep, 02:17, "John Rowland"
wrote:
The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see three. Does
anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still there?

The general opinion amonst the fanshafting mafia is that Shaft 4
disappeared in its original form fairly recently. However, it is
possible there is still some form of opening, but cleverly concealed
at surface level. It's very visible down below, however.

BRB Class 465.

On 20 Sep, 18:41, BRB Class 465 wrote:
The general opinion amonst the fanshafting mafia is that Shaft 4
disappeared in its original form fairly recently. However, it is
possible there is still some form of opening, but cleverly concealed
at surface level. It's very visible down below, however.

I forgot to mention, you might like to ask a certain rather large
person about this, though you won't get a straight answer.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, BRB Class 465 wrote:

On 20 Sep, 02:17, "John Rowland"
wrote:

The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see three.
Does anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still there?

The general opinion amonst the fanshafting mafia

Of course! Fanshaft loonies! How could i have left them off my list?

tom

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In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, BRB Class 465 wrote:

On 20 Sep, 02:17, "John Rowland"
wrote:

The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see three.
Does anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still there?

The general opinion amonst the fanshafting mafia

Of course! Fanshaft loonies! How could i have left them off my list?

Well if you're branching out !

Fanshafters, Drainers, Tunnellers ... err give me a minute ...

Nick
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John Rowland wrote:
The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see
three. Does anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still
there?
Incidentally, on the shot here
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...3373&encType=1
you can see that the Rotherhithe Tunnel Southern Approach has its own
bridge over the East London Line.

Incidentally no. 2...

When you're coming out of the tunnel at the Rotherhithe end, the road splits
into 3 lanes just before the roundabout , and the right one is bizarrely
marked "ROTH TUN'L". I imagine this is supposed to say "ROTH STN" or some
such.

John Rowland wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see
three. Does anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still
there?
Incidentally, on the shot here
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...3373&encType=1
you can see that the Rotherhithe Tunnel Southern Approach has its
own bridge over the East London Line.

Incidentally no. 2...

When you're coming out of the tunnel at the Rotherhithe end, the
road splits into 3 lanes just before the roundabout , and the right
one is bizarrely marked "ROTH TUN'L". I imagine this is supposed to
say "ROTH STN" or some such.

It says "ROTH HTHE" (= Rotherhithe). It's easier to see on Google Earth.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see
three. Does anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still
there?
Incidentally, on the shot here
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...3373&encType=1
you can see that the Rotherhithe Tunnel Southern Approach has its
own bridge over the East London Line.

Incidentally no. 2...

When you're coming out of the tunnel at the Rotherhithe end, the
road splits into 3 lanes just before the roundabout , and the right
one is bizarrely marked "ROTH TUN'L". I imagine this is supposed to
say "ROTH STN" or some such.

It says "ROTH HTHE" (= Rotherhithe). It's easier to see on Google
Earth.

I'm usually in one of the other lanes, but today I deliberately used this
lane. It says "ROTH HITHE". I'm not sure how I got it so wrong before.

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
John Rowland wrote:
The interweb says that there are four shafts, but I can only see
three. Does anyone know if shaft 4 (the northernmost one) is still
there?
Incidentally, on the shot here
http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...3373&encType=1
you can see that the Rotherhithe Tunnel Southern Approach has its own
bridge over the East London Line.

Incidentally no. 2...

When you're coming out of the tunnel at the Rotherhithe end, the road
splits into 3 lanes just before the roundabout , and the right one is
bizarrely marked "ROTH TUN'L". I imagine this is supposed to say "ROTH
STN" or some such.


'ROTH
HTHE'

On Google Earth's images, I reckon...

Paul