"Ar" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:00:55 +0000, Ar scribed:

I'd rather see the city as you ride through it, then tunnels. The new
Eurostar route is about as interesting as catching some overground
trains from Brussels Zuid, southbound.

I meant northbound of course! The Eurostar comes from the south into
Brussels.

Anyway, for visually unintersting bordom, I think this persons video
just about sums up the new Eurostar route.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GRF6d8EAg

But this is not the Channel Tunnel (the 2nd one) but, it has a 373 going
through it. Which tunnel is it?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7n_pOzFY4

KW

On 13 Nov, 21:19, "Ken Ward" wrote:
"Ar" wrote in message

.. .

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:00:55 +0000, Ar scribed:

I'd rather see the city as you ride through it, then tunnels. The new
Eurostar route is about as interesting as catching some overground
trains from Brussels Zuid, southbound.

I meant northbound of course! The Eurostar comes from the south into
Brussels.

Anyway, for visually unintersting bordom, I think this persons video
just about sums up the new Eurostar route.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GRF6d8EAg

But this is not the Channel Tunnel (the 2nd one) but, it has a 373 going
through it. Which tunnel is it?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7n_pOzFY4

KW

It's a so-called GNERstar, exiting a tunnel at Hadley Wood? Though
perhaps not.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:19:58 GMT, "Ken Ward"
wrote:


"Ar" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:00:55 +0000, Ar scribed:

I'd rather see the city as you ride through it, then tunnels. The new
Eurostar route is about as interesting as catching some overground
trains from Brussels Zuid, southbound.

I meant northbound of course! The Eurostar comes from the south into
Brussels.

Anyway, for visually unintersting bordom, I think this persons video
just about sums up the new Eurostar route.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GRF6d8EAg

But this is not the Channel Tunnel (the 2nd one) but, it has a 373 going
through it. Which tunnel is it?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7n_pOzFY4

Hadley Wood?

KW

Am Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:31:15 UTC, schrieb "Peter Masson"
auf uk.railway :

Southfleet Junction to Fawkham Junction and the Linford Street curve
are the two sections where it will no longer be possible to travel by train
at all.

Why that? Why shouldn't it be possible to use the Southfleet
Junction to Fawkham Junction link any more?


Curious,
L.W.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
ups.com...
Today is the last day of Eurostar trains traversing the tracks of
south London heading for Waterloo, as tomorrow they'll switch to using
the new, boring route through the new CTRL tunnels underneath east
London (apols for rolling that pun out for the hundredth time). I felt
a little ode to their passing - or indeed imminent lack of passing -
was in order.

The new route will no longer afford arriving passengers a window,
however brief and partial it may be, across London. So Eurostar
passengers will be denied any glimpse of the metropolis into which
they are arriving until they emerge just before St. Pancras station
(where they'll get a good vie of a cement works!).


Excellent journalism snipped.

You should apply to the BBC. In their well researched article about the move
I found:
"Waterloo's award-winning terminal is expected to be used to take the burden
off existing services to Surrey."
Compared to the DfT view reported lower down in the same article:
"We're also looking at how Waterloo can be used to expand capacity right
across the South Western franchise."
They don't see very far from their Ivory Towers do they...

Paul S

Am Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:19:58 UTC, schrieb "Ken Ward"
auf uk.railway :

But this is not the Channel Tunnel (the 2nd one) but, it has a 373 going
through it. Which tunnel is it?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7n_pOzFY4

How about Hadleywood?

see http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NPUae4pxPeQ


Cheers,
L.W.

In message , at 21:19:58 on
Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Ken Ward remarked:
But this is not the Channel Tunnel (the 2nd one) but, it has a 373 going
through it. Which tunnel is it?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7n_pOzFY4

GNER trains, and a station by the tunnel mouth - Hadley Wood?
--
Roland Perry

In message
Ar wrote:

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:26:59 -0800, sweek scribed:

The original plans were to build a tunnel to Waterloo and keep that as
the terminal, but I think it was the borough of Lewisham that didn't
want that, which resulted in the current north London route.

If you remember where you got that info from I'd appreciate it. Never
heard of one borough objecting, but then again, it was a Labour
borough at the time.

One story that went around was that the tories tried to route the CTRL
through safe labour seats on the grounds that it was better to annoy people
who weren't going to vote for you anyway.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

"Lüko Willms" wrote in message
...
Am Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:19:58 UTC, schrieb "Ken Ward"
auf uk.railway :

But this is not the Channel Tunnel (the 2nd one) but, it has a 373 going
through it. Which tunnel is it?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7n_pOzFY4

How about Hadleywood?

see http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NPUae4pxPeQ

Much better video, with a good soundtrack.

KW

"Lüko Willms" wrote

Why that? Why shouldn't it be possible to use the Southfleet
Junction to Fawkham Junction link any more?

There won't be any booked trains. After they take the shoes off the E*s the
only trains which will be physically capable of using it (dual voltage and
HS1 signalling) will be the Southeastern 395s (Javelin/Hitachi/Bullet
according to preference) and Southeastern have no plans to use the route.
It's likely to be lifted, though it is also likely to remain in railway
ownership - AIUI the high voltage feeder cable to Fawkham substation runs
along it.

Most of it is the route of the former Gravesend West branch, closed to
passengers in the early 1950s, though freight ran to Gravesend West until
the mid 1960s, and coal as far as Southfleet for the Northfleet cement works
until 1974. IIRC the track for this was not actually lifted until work began
to rebuild the line for E*s. There is a slight deviation at the Fawkham
Junction end, ostensibly to ease the curve so that Es could take the
junction and the curve at 65 mph.

Peter