In message , Richard
J. writes
1956: City boundary still shown as running across the southern end of
Ely Place (Bartholomew street atlas)

At http://www.zigguratonline.com/clerkenwellhisto.html :
"In medieval times, the Bishop of Ely was a powerful man. He built his
palace just outside the City of London, at nearby Ely Place."

At http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...x?compid=63117 there's a
digest of historical mentions of Ely Place which includes:

"Ely Court: outside the City boundary (Bacon, 1912)."
and
"Six messuages and forty acres of land in Ely (in) London, the suburb
of London and the parish of St. Andrew Holeburn to be alienated to the
prior and convent of Ely, 1335-9 (Cal. P.R. Ed. III. 1334-8, p. 107)."

At http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/M...w/churches.htm
:
"Holborn, St.Andrew, Holborn Viaduct [mediæval - pre-Conquest -before
951] parish originally partly within the City jurisdiction, partly in
Middlesex."

So apart from that last item, nothing to suggest a former presence in
(or "within") the City. I've since had a look at the London
Encyclopaedia (p266-7). This makes the statement that Ely place "does
not form part of the City of London and is exempt from the authority of
the Lord Mayor" (I think this might have been the original source for
the lecture on which my notes were based.

I also have a possibly erroneous mental image of an "Ely Place" street
sign in the City Corporation style, white with a black border and with
the city coat of arms at the side.

Methinks a trip to have a look is overdue!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

This is all great stuff and I'd like to thank all the contributors so
far. I am overdue for a trip to the Old Mitre anyway so I might try
and pop down next week.

In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:

In message ,
Richard J. writes
1956: City boundary still shown as running across the southern end
of Ely Place (Bartholomew street atlas)

At http://www.zigguratonline.com/clerkenwellhisto.html :
"In medieval times, the Bishop of Ely was a powerful man. He built
his palace just outside the City of London, at nearby Ely Place."

At http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...x?compid=63117 there's
a digest of historical mentions of Ely Place which includes:

"Ely Court: outside the City boundary (Bacon, 1912)."
and
"Six messuages and forty acres of land in Ely (in) London, the suburb
of London and the parish of St. Andrew Holeburn to be alienated to the

prior and convent of Ely, 1335-9 (Cal. P.R. Ed. III. 1334-8, p. 107)."

At
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/M...w/churches.htm
:
"Holborn, St.Andrew, Holborn Viaduct [mediæval - pre-Conquest -before
951] parish originally partly within the City jurisdiction, partly in
Middlesex."

So apart from that last item, nothing to suggest a former presence
in (or "within") the City. I've since had a look at the London
Encyclopaedia (p266-7). This makes the statement that Ely place
"does not form part of the City of London and is exempt from the
authority of the Lord Mayor" (I think this might have been the
original source for the lecture on which my notes were based.

I also have a possibly erroneous mental image of an "Ely Place"
street sign in the City Corporation style, white with a black
border and with the city coat of arms at the side.

Methinks a trip to have a look is overdue!

I expect 'll be in that area on the evening of 16 January next week but
I'm not sure what one might see in the dark.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:

I also have a possibly erroneous mental image of an "Ely Place"
street sign in the City Corporation style, white with a black
border and with the city coat of arms at the side.

I think so.

I expect 'll be in that area on the evening of 16 January next week
but I'm not sure what one might see in the dark.

Not a lot from Charterhouse Street, and Ely Place itself will probably be
locked.

In article ,
(John Rowland) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Ian Jelf) wrote:

I also have a possibly erroneous mental image of an "Ely Place"
street sign in the City Corporation style, white with a black
border and with the city coat of arms at the side.

I think so.

I expect 'll be in that area on the evening of 16 January next
week but I'm not sure what one might see in the dark.

Not a lot from Charterhouse Street, and Ely Place itself will
probably be locked.

I was thinking of street name plates.

--
Colin Rosenstiel