On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote:
On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote:



On Mar 20, 4:30 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

MIG wrote:

On Mar 20, 3:48 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

A check today on SWT's journey planner shows a 6 tph frequency
Wimbledon - Clapham Junction & return on Saturday.

Two of them (taking 28 minutes) are by bus, presumably serving
Earlsfield.

The other four are down to take 15 minutes. The usual journey time is
7 minutes, so that would seem to confirm that they are not going the
usual way, although I would have thought that 15 minutes, via a single
track connection and fitting in with the District Line is a bit
ambitious.

I'm reading it as there are 6 tph and 3 buses. SWT's display only shows 5
l.
Although there is no sign on TfL's site of any service 'reductions' on the
District Line, could they be running a reduced frequency compared to a
normal Saturday

As well as six non-stop services each way threading between stopping
services, that's twelve tph in total down a single track at East
Putney and also fitting in between regular services to and from Putney
on the flat.

However there's no 'Wimbleware' service for the whole long weekend, as
there's no (District/Circle) trains running between Edgware Road and
Earls Court/Gloucester Rd. Perhaps this does point to a reduced
frequency on the District from Wimbledon this weekend then.

Thanks guys for the information.
Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions,
there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each
direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that
is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with
Clapham Juntion as the first stop.
They did announce on one train that it would be going through East
Putney.
Nice views from the train as travels up alongside the Windsor/ Reading
lines, before branching of to East Putney, then straight through
Southfields and Wimbledeon Park.
District line trains also running on line.
Will be back tommorow to take some photos from East Putney station.
This is a rare opportunity to see frequent service by Network Rail
along this line.

John

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On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote:
On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote:

However there's no 'Wimbleware' service for the whole long weekend, as
there's no (District/Circle) trains running between Edgware Road and
Earls Court/Gloucester Rd. Perhaps this does point to a reduced
frequency on the District from Wimbledon this weekend then.

Thanks guys for the information.
Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions,
there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each
direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that
is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with
Clapham Juntion as the first stop.

I had a return journey Wimbledon - CJ too. There are definitely 6 SWT ph
most hours, 2 tph each to/from Woking, Shepperton, and Basingstoke/Alton
(splitting). There also seemed to be alternating LU trains so up to12 tph
in each direction?

Slight glitch just before 5 when Wimbledon platform 5 was blocked by a 66
headed engineers train heading towards CJ through the blocked section, but
otherwise I thought everything was working pretty smoothly, considering the
flat junctions on and off the 'District line' section, and the single lead
connection with the Windsor lines. Had I relied upon the BBC's warnings
there should have been total chaos in the area, in fact there were probably
more services running than on many previous weekends when engineering work
has closed the main lines through CJ.

At Wimbledon platform 6 was being used as a terminating platform for
Chessington and Guildford stoppers, and platform 7 for down through trains.

I noticed, (for the first time), that there are differential speed limits on
the East Putney line, 30 mph over 45 mph for LU, so that possibly explains
how the interworking of stoppers and non-stop is organised. Oddly, the
platform announcements on East Putney's up platform were alternately
displaying a 'stand clear the next train is non-stop' message, despite them
turning off just before the station!

Paul S.

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On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote:
On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote:

Thanks guys for the information.
Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions,
there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each
direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that
is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with
Clapham Juntion as the first stop.
They did announce on one train that it would be going through East
Putney.
Nice views from the train as travels up alongside the Windsor/ Reading
lines, before branching of to East Putney, then straight through
Southfields and Wimbledeon Park.
District line trains also running on line.
Will be back tommorow to take some photos from East Putney station.
This is a rare opportunity to see frequent service by Network Rail
along this line.

Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down
there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on
that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with
tripcocks.

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On 20 Mar, 17:25, Mizter T wrote:
On 20 Mar, 17:09, MIG wrote:

Thanks guys for the information.
Today Good Friday, I have been riding the line in both directions,
there seem to be plenty of trains possibly 4 an hour in each
direction. Just get a train from platform 6 at Clapham Junction that
is going next stop Wimbledeon. At Wimbledeon get a Waterloo train with
Clapham Juntion as the first stop.
They did announce on one train that it would be going through East
Putney.
Nice views from the train as travels up alongside the Windsor/ Reading
lines, before branching of to East Putney, then straight through
Southfields and Wimbledeon Park.
District line trains also running on line.
Will be back tommorow to take some photos from East Putney station.
This is a rare opportunity to see frequent service by Network Rail
along this line.

Does that part of LUL have AWS (I don't recall seeing it when I was down
there.)? If not, then whar sort of safety back up are SWT trains using on
that segment, lower speeds? AFAIK, SWT trains are not equipped with
tripcocks.


At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for LU
trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I believe
that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks.

Its possible there isn't AWS - perhaps that explains the 30 mph limit?

Paul

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At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for
LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I
believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks.


What do they use for a redundant safety system, then?

Slightly off topic, but FCC trains out of Moorgate are equipped with
tripcocks, aren't they? Who is operating that segment of track?

(Having said that, I realise that the trains running from Clapham Junction
to Wimbledon are doing so under extraordinary cicumstances, and so I
wouldn't expect them to be equipped with tripcocks.)

Its possible there isn't AWS - perhaps that explains the 30 mph limit?

I have also seen the speed signs East Putney and Wimbledon, which
distinguish between LUL and NR trains. But, without a redundant saftey
system, I would expect the NR speed to be lower than 30 miles -- more like
15 miles.

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"Paul Scott" wrote:

At the risk of restarting an old thread, although there are tripcocks for
LU trains, the line is still signalled and owned by Network Rail, so I
believe that's why mainline trains don't need tripcocks.


What do they use for a redundant safety system, then?

Dunno, but see my post upthread about the ownership of the line - it
is owned by LUL but signalled by Network Rail.


Slightly off topic, but FCC trains out of Moorgate are equipped with
tripcocks, aren't they? Who is operating that segment of track?


All the 'mainline' lines out of Moorgate are owned by Network Rail
these days, and I'm almost certain that tripcocks are not in use on
either line these days.

The "Northern City line" in a large diameter tube that runs up to
Drayton Park has been in mainline railway ownership since it
transferred from LU to British Rail in 1975 or 76.

What is now the branch of Thameslink to Moorgate is similarly owned
and operated by Network Rail. However the diesel trains that used to
run along this line from Moorgate through Kings Cross (via the York
and Hotel curves) did used to be fitted with tripcocks, because the
line used to be operated by LU. I'm hazy on when the so called
"Widened lines" were separated out between LU and British Rail, so I'm
not sure when LU (Met, Circle and H&C) and mainline trains stopped
sharing these tracks or indeed whether they routinely did so in more
recent years.


(Having said that, I realise that the trains running from Clapham Junction
to Wimbledon are doing so under extraordinary cicumstances, and so I
wouldn't expect them to be equipped with tripcocks.)


At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at
night/ early in the morning.

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(Mizter T) wrote:

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"Paul Scott" wrote:

Slightly off topic, but FCC trains out of Moorgate are equipped with
tripcocks, aren't they? Who is operating that segment of track?

All the 'mainline' lines out of Moorgate are owned by Network Rail
these days, and I'm almost certain that tripcocks are not in use on
either line these days.

The "Northern City line" in a large diameter tube that runs up to
Drayton Park has been in mainline railway ownership since it
transferred from LU to British Rail in 1975 or 76.

The GNC retains tripcocks, I thought, with 313s so equipped.

What is now the branch of Thameslink to Moorgate is similarly owned
and operated by Network Rail. However the diesel trains that used to
run along this line from Moorgate through Kings Cross (via the York
and Hotel curves) did used to be fitted with tripcocks, because the
line used to be operated by LU. I'm hazy on when the so called
"Widened lines" were separated out between LU and British Rail, so I'm
not sure when LU (Met, Circle and H&C) and mainline trains stopped
sharing these tracks or indeed whether they routinely did so in more
recent years.

Probably when the changes for Thameslink were made, lengthening the
Farringdon platforms and removing the connection with the Met there.

(Having said that, I realise that the trains running from Clapham
Junction to Wimbledon are doing so under extraordinary
cicumstances, and so I wouldn't expect them to be equipped with
tripcocks.)

At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at
night/ early in the morning.

The line was BR-owned until 1994, with BR signalling from before then,
surely?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
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(Mizter T) wrote:


At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at
night/ early in the morning.

The line was BR-owned until 1994, with BR signalling from before then,
surely?

Alongside the down platform at Southfields there is newly installed NR
signalling equipment visible. Clearly renewals are to a NR design, whoever
is actually doing them...

Paul S

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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All the 'mainline' lines out of Moorgate are owned by Network Rail
these days, and I'm almost certain that tripcocks are not in use on
either line these days.

I should have made that delineation. FCC Thameslink trains out of Moorgate
indeed are not equipped with tripcocks.

The "Northern City line" in a large diameter tube that runs up to
Drayton Park has been in mainline railway ownership since it
transferred from LU to British Rail in 1975 or 76.

The Northern City Line is another story, however. I have seen policemen
operating as trains pull into Moorgate. I'm not saying that the whole
segment between Moorgate and Drayton Park is equipped with stoparms, because
I simply don't know, but I did see them at Moorgate.

Is it possible that they simply left the policemen at Moorgate when NR took
over? It would be surprising to see them working after all these years.

At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at
night/ early in the morning.

Revenue or non-revenue?

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"Mizter T" wrote in message

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The "Northern City line" in a large diameter tube that runs up to
Drayton Park has been in mainline railway ownership since it
transferred from LU to British Rail in 1975 or 76.

The Northern City Line is another story, however. I have seen
policemen operating as trains pull into Moorgate. I'm not saying
that the whole segment between Moorgate and Drayton Park is
equipped with stoparms, because I simply don't know, but I did see
them at Moorgate.

Is it possible that they simply left the policemen at Moorgate when
NR took over? It would be surprising to see them working after all
these years.

BR took over the GNC before TPWS was invented. Given what happened at
Moorgate immediately before BR took over there, it is somewhat
unsurprising that the dead end tunnel safety system introduced there,
known as Moorgate control, was retained for BR use. Nowadays they would
presumably be able to rely on standard TPWS and could scrap the tripcocks.
When the 313s on the GN come up for replacement (is there even a date
yet?) presumably they will consider updating the signalling at the Cross.

At least two SWT trains routinely run along that stretch late at
night/ early in the morning.

Revenue or non-revenue?

I thought the main use was ECS.

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Colin Rosenstiel