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Colin Rosenstiel June 15th 08 03:03 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article , ()
wrote:

I have noticed lately that there appear to be much less coins 1-
and 2-pound coins, plus 50-pence coins with special reverses in
circulation. Is it becoming a trend for the general public to hoard
these coins?


Since all £1 coin reverses are "special" I'm not sure what you mean
there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tom Anderson June 15th 08 04:08 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , ()
wrote:

I have noticed lately that there appear to be much less coins 1-
and 2-pound coins, plus 50-pence coins with special reverses in
circulation. Is it becoming a trend for the general public to hoard
these coins?


Since all £1 coin reverses are "special" I'm not sure what you mean
there.


Some are more special than others!

Have a butcher's:

http://www.ukcoinpics.co.uk/dec1p.html

IME, the 1983 etc all-UK reverse is far and away the most common one to
come across. The mid-80s Scottish and Welsh are level-pegging in second
place. The NI flax flower design is rarer, as is the English royal oak.
The 1988 UK is really quite unusual to see. The mid-90s national designs
and the bridges are now also pretty common - about the same as the 80s
Scottish and Welsh, i'd say. I have yet to see one of the new pounds in
the wild :(.

The 1983 etc UK is sort of a 'standard' design, making all the others
'special', but it's really the rarer ones that i'd consider special enough
to describe as special.

tom

--
That must be one of the best things you can possibly do with a piglet,
booze and a cannon. -- D

Colin Rosenstiel June 15th 08 06:34 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
() wrote:

I have noticed lately that there appear to be much less coins 1-
and 2-pound coins, plus 50-pence coins with special reverses in
circulation. Is it becoming a trend for the general public to hoard
these coins?


Since all £1 coin reverses are "special" I'm not sure what you
mean there.


Some are more special than others!

Have a butcher's:

http://www.ukcoinpics.co.uk/dec1p.html

IME, the 1983 etc all-UK reverse is far and away the most common
one to come across. The mid-80s Scottish and Welsh are
level-pegging in second place. The NI flax flower design is rarer,
as is the English royal oak. The 1988 UK is really quite unusual to
see. The mid-90s national designs and the bridges are now also
pretty common - about the same as the 80s Scottish and Welsh, i'd
say. I have yet to see one of the new pounds in the wild :(.

The 1983 etc UK is sort of a 'standard' design, making all the
others 'special', but it's really the rarer ones that i'd consider
special enough to describe as special.


You're just calling a design special because of lower mintage quantities
in years they were current. In fact by that definition the same design
will be special and non-special because of fluctuations in mintage
between years.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

No Name June 15th 08 07:20 PM

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:


You're just calling a design special because of lower mintage quantities
in years they were current. In fact by that definition the same design
will be special and non-special because of fluctuations in mintage
between years.

--

I am referring to those coins which have obverses specific to one year, such
as the Wembley Stadium coins, for 2007.

That's what I was refrring to, and that is what I was asking about.




Colin Rosenstiel June 15th 08 08:39 PM

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In article ,
() wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

You're just calling a design special because of lower mintage
quantities in years they were current. In fact by that definition
the same design will be special and non-special because of
fluctuations in mintage between years.

I am referring to those coins which have obverses specific to one
year, such as the Wembley Stadium coins, for 2007.

That's what I was refrring to, and that is what I was asking about.


£1? I don't think I've ever seen them. I know there are endless £2
commemorative designs.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

No Name June 15th 08 08:49 PM

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...
In article ,
() wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

You're just calling a design special because of lower mintage
quantities in years they were current. In fact by that definition
the same design will be special and non-special because of
fluctuations in mintage between years.

I am referring to those coins which have obverses specific to one
year, such as the Wembley Stadium coins, for 2007.

That's what I was refrring to, and that is what I was asking about.


£1? I don't think I've ever seen them. I know there are endless £2
commemorative designs.


They're there.



Jim Brittin June 16th 08 08:56 AM

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In article ,
says...
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:


You're just calling a design special because of lower mintage quantities
in years they were current. In fact by that definition the same design
will be special and non-special because of fluctuations in mintage
between years.

--

I am referring to those coins which have obverses specific to one year, such
as the Wembley Stadium coins, for 2007.

That's what I was refrring to, and that is what I was asking about.





Wembley Stadium? It's the Gateshead Millennium Bridge!

Colin Rosenstiel June 16th 08 03:55 PM

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In article ,
[wake up to reply] (Jim Brittin) wrote:

In article ,
says...
"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:


You're just calling a design special because of lower mintage
quantities in years they were current. In fact by that definition
the same design will be special and non-special because of
fluctuations in mintage between years.

I am referring to those coins which have obverses specific to one
year, such as the Wembley Stadium coins, for 2007.

That's what I was refrring to, and that is what I was asking
about.


Wembley Stadium? It's the Gateshead Millennium Bridge!


So there is only one 2007 £1 coin design, just like every other year?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Adrian June 16th 08 04:04 PM

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(Colin Rosenstiel) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

I am referring to those coins which have obverses specific to one
year, such as the Wembley Stadium coins, for 2007.

That's what I was refrring to, and that is what I was asking about.


Wembley Stadium? It's the Gateshead Millennium Bridge!


So there is only one 2007 £1 coin design, just like every other year?


Yes.

The illustration of the "winking" Gateshead bridge could easily be
mistaken for Wembley Stadium...

http://www.royalmint.gov.uk/Corporat...ge/CoinDesign/
OnePoundCoin.aspx

MIG June 16th 08 04:22 PM

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On 15 Jun, 17:08, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , ()
wrote:


I have noticed lately that there appear to be much less coins 1-
and 2-pound coins, plus 50-pence coins with special reverses in
circulation. Is it becoming a trend for the general public to hoard
these coins?


Since all £1 coin reverses are "special" I'm not sure what you mean
there.


Some are more special than others!

Have a butcher's:

http://www.ukcoinpics.co.uk/dec1p.html

IME, the 1983 etc all-UK reverse is far and away the most common one to
come across. The mid-80s Scottish and Welsh are level-pegging in second
place. The NI flax flower design is rarer, as is the English royal oak.
The 1988 UK is really quite unusual to see. The mid-90s national designs
and the bridges are now also pretty common - about the same as the 80s
Scottish and Welsh, i'd say. I have yet to see one of the new pounds in
the wild :(.

The 1983 etc UK is sort of a 'standard' design, making all the others
'special', but it's really the rarer ones that i'd consider special enough
to describe as special.


The 1983 design had to replace every £1 note in circulation, so
there's bound to be more of them. After that it would just be
replacements for natural wastage (or whatever it's called).

For a long time there were far more 1971 "copper" coins than any other
year, but it's starting to even out now.

Tom Anderson June 16th 08 10:22 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, MIG wrote:

On 15 Jun, 17:08, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , ()
wrote:


I have noticed lately that there appear to be much less coins 1-
and 2-pound coins, plus 50-pence coins with special reverses in
circulation. Is it becoming a trend for the general public to hoard
these coins?


Since all £1 coin reverses are "special" I'm not sure what you mean
there.


Some are more special than others!

Have a butcher's:

http://www.ukcoinpics.co.uk/dec1p.html

IME, the 1983 etc all-UK reverse is far and away the most common one to
come across.


The 1983 design had to replace every £1 note in circulation, so there's
bound to be more of them.


Aaaah, didn't think of that!

After that it would just be replacements for natural wastage (or
whatever it's called).


It was re-issued in 1193, 1998, 2003 and 2008 (according to that site) -
are you saying this was just to cover withdrawn or destructed 1983 coins?
Why would they bother to replace like with like?

tom

--
Argumentative and pedantic, oh, yes. Although it's properly called
"correct" -- Huge

Stephen Allcroft June 17th 08 11:16 AM

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On 11 Jun, 19:56, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:11:27 +0100, "Peter Masson"

wrote:

"Charles Ellson" wrote


Crowns tended to be issued above face value in proof condition but the
1953 coins were IMU the first to be issued as part of a set of coins
in "uncirculated" condition (as was the 1965 Churchill Crown). AFAIAA
the 1953 uncirculated set was issued at or near face value so many
(like my mother's) possibly disappeared/dispersed when there was an
urgent need for cash.


When were crowns last minted as normal currency, as opposed to
commemoratives?


That might be down to interpretation. The last intentionally-regular
issues for general circulation seem to have been after the 1887 Royal
Jubilee. Since then have been mostly commemorative issues but even
before Victoria's time they don't seem to have been established as an
"everyday" issue. I suspect their size possibly clashed with some kind
of practical threshold above which coins were inconvenient to carry or
handle.


Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.

MIG June 17th 08 11:16 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On 16 Jun, 23:22, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, MIG wrote:
On 15 Jun, 17:08, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , ()
wrote:


I have noticed lately that there appear to be much less coins 1-
and 2-pound coins, plus 50-pence coins with special reverses in
circulation. Is it becoming a trend for the general public to hoard
these coins?


Since all £1 coin reverses are "special" I'm not sure what you mean
there.


Some are more special than others!


Have a butcher's:


http://www.ukcoinpics.co.uk/dec1p.html


IME, the 1983 etc all-UK reverse is far and away the most common one to
come across.


The 1983 design had to replace every £1 note in circulation, so there's
bound to be more of them.


Aaaah, didn't think of that!

After that it would just be replacements for natural wastage (or
whatever it's called).


It was re-issued in 1193, 1998, 2003 and 2008 (according to that site) -
are you saying this was just to cover withdrawn or destructed 1983 coins?
Why would they bother to replace like with like?


Presumably just to replace pounds rather than specific ones. I don't
know how the number of coins needed per year is calculated. It seems
to assume a vast number getting lost or destroyed, but I don't know to
what extent the total amount of currency in circulation varies from
year to year or how it could be monitored in any case.

Stephen Allcroft June 17th 08 11:23 AM

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On 14 Jun, 21:08, wrote:
"sweller" wrote in message

... wrote:

The Channel Islands still have one-pound notes in regular circulation,
incidentally. I refer to both Guernsey and Jersey.


So does the Isle of Man - I got a couple in change when I was there for
the TT this year.


Really? I was under the impression that they had been completely replaced
with pound coins, because I never saw or received any in change when I
visited.

What about other dependencies or colonies that have their currency pegged to
the pound sterling?


Neither dependent nor colonised but we in Scotland still have pound
notes (issued by private banks).

Peter Masson June 17th 08 11:38 AM

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"Stephen Allcroft" wrote

Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


It is only slightly smaller than the pre-decimal sixpence, which was a
pretty popular coin. The silver threepence was smaller, and it was unpopular
(and not infrequently got swallowed in Christmas pudding). One of the
reasons why it was replaced with the twelve-sided brass coin was that people
wouldn't use it to pay bus fares, so bus conductors ended up with vast
quantities of pennies, to the extent that London Transport handled in the
1930s about 600 tons per year of 'copper' coins.

Peter



Peter Masson June 17th 08 12:02 PM

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"Stephen Allcroft" wrote

Neither dependent nor colonised but we in Scotland still have pound
notes (issued by private banks).


Only the Royal Bank of Scotland still issues one pound notes, though all
three Scottish banks issue GBP100 notes, which is more than the Bank of
England does. The Scottish banks have to have their banknotes backed by Bank
of England notes, and for this purpose the Bank of England has issued notes
for GBP1 million and GBP100 million.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ther_notes.htm

Peter



James Farrar June 17th 08 05:06 PM

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:16:15 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Allcroft
wrote:

On 11 Jun, 19:56, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:11:27 +0100, "Peter Masson"

wrote:

"Charles Ellson" wrote


Crowns tended to be issued above face value in proof condition but the
1953 coins were IMU the first to be issued as part of a set of coins
in "uncirculated" condition (as was the 1965 Churchill Crown). AFAIAA
the 1953 uncirculated set was issued at or near face value so many
(like my mother's) possibly disappeared/dispersed when there was an
urgent need for cash.


When were crowns last minted as normal currency, as opposed to
commemoratives?


That might be down to interpretation. The last intentionally-regular
issues for general circulation seem to have been after the 1887 Royal
Jubilee. Since then have been mostly commemorative issues but even
before Victoria's time they don't seem to have been established as an
"everyday" issue. I suspect their size possibly clashed with some kind
of practical threshold above which coins were inconvenient to carry or
handle.


Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


They're almost impossible to pick up when dropped on a hard floor
without long fingernails. I've taken to hoarding them, along with
pennies and tuppences, and exchanging them at the bank when I have a
bagful.

James Farrar June 17th 08 05:23 PM

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:02:36 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote:


"Stephen Allcroft" wrote

Neither dependent nor colonised but we in Scotland still have pound
notes (issued by private banks).


Only the Royal Bank of Scotland still issues one pound notes, though all
three Scottish banks issue GBP100 notes, which is more than the Bank of
England does.


Really? When did they stop? They certainly used to issue a £100 note.

Peter Masson June 17th 08 05:45 PM

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"James Farrar" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:02:36 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote:


"Stephen Allcroft" wrote

Neither dependent nor colonised but we in Scotland still have pound
notes (issued by private banks).


Only the Royal Bank of Scotland still issues one pound notes, though all
three Scottish banks issue GBP100 notes, which is more than the Bank of
England does.


Really? When did they stop? They certainly used to issue a £100 note.


Last issued in 1943. Ceased to be legal tender in 1945.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...uide/index.htm

Peter



No Name June 17th 08 07:54 PM

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"Stephen Allcroft" wrote in message
...

Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


Have you ever seen a Dutch 10-cent coin? They were smaller than the 5p
coins, IIRC.




No Name June 17th 08 07:55 PM

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"James Farrar" wrote in message
...

Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


They're almost impossible to pick up when dropped on a hard floor
without long fingernails. I've taken to hoarding them, along with
pennies and tuppences, and exchanging them at the bank when I have a
bagful.


Is there any estimate on how much in coins people are hoarding?



No Name June 17th 08 08:03 PM

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"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

"Stephen Allcroft" wrote

Neither dependent nor colonised but we in Scotland still have pound
notes (issued by private banks).


Only the Royal Bank of Scotland still issues one pound notes, though all
three Scottish banks issue GBP100 notes, which is more than the Bank of
England does. The Scottish banks have to have their banknotes backed by
Bank
of England notes, and for this purpose the Bank of England has issued
notes
for GBP1 million and GBP100 million.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ther_notes.htm

???

The highest denomination banknote that I have ever seen issued was for
$100,000, bearing the portrait of late US president Woodrow Wilson.

But that was actually for a substantial amount. I am not counting banknotes
from Yugoslavia, for example, which had a 1 billion-dinar note, due because
of hyper inflation.

Speaking of the BoE's Website, is there a tentative schedule for when other
F series banknotes are to be introduced? I also seem to recall that there
are coins with completely different reverses for all denominations starting
from this year.



Peter Masson June 17th 08 08:10 PM

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wrote in message
...
"Peter Masson" wrote
The Scottish banks have to have their banknotes backed by Bank
of England notes, and for this purpose the Bank of England has issued
notes for GBP1 million and GBP100 million.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ther_notes.htm

???

The highest denomination banknote that I have ever seen issued was for
$100,000, bearing the portrait of late US president Woodrow Wilson.

But that was actually for a substantial amount. I am not counting

banknotes
from Yugoslavia, for example, which had a 1 billion-dinar note, due

because
of hyper inflation.

It's mentioned on this page.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ther_notes.htm
I like the point that the GBP1 million and GBP100 million notes are 'not for
general circulation.'

Peter



Ian Jelf June 18th 08 12:07 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In message , Peter Masson
writes

"Stephen Allcroft" wrote

Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


It is only slightly smaller than the pre-decimal sixpence, which was a
pretty popular coin. The silver threepence was smaller, and it was unpopular
(and not infrequently got swallowed in Christmas pudding). One of the
reasons why it was replaced with the twelve-sided brass coin was that people
wouldn't use it to pay bus fares, so bus conductors ended up with vast
quantities of pennies, to the extent that London Transport handled in the
1930s about 600 tons per year of 'copper' coins.


At infant school in 1969-70 our playtime milk break[1] biscuits cost 3d.
We were only allowed to pay for them with a single 3d coin, NOT we were
told in no uncertain terms, in three pennies, as teachers "didn't have
time to count them all"!

Could you imagine today's press angle on that?!


[1] This all seems very archaic now. ;-)
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

James Farrar June 18th 08 06:59 AM

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:55:59 +0100, wrote:

"James Farrar" wrote in message
.. .

Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


They're almost impossible to pick up when dropped on a hard floor
without long fingernails. I've taken to hoarding them, along with
pennies and tuppences, and exchanging them at the bank when I have a
bagful.


Is there any estimate on how much in coins people are hoarding?


If you believe this American eco-nut, somewhere in the order of £400
million.

http://www.greenlivingtips.com/artic...vironment.html

"According to the research I was able to do, in Ireland, approximately
$60 million of coins are being hoarded. In the UK it's somewhere in
the region of three quarters of a billion dollars worth!"

Sounds reasonable. Right now I've got about £6 not counting the "in
use" ones.

No Name June 18th 08 10:55 AM

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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
...

At infant school in 1969-70 our playtime milk break[1] biscuits cost 3d.
We were only allowed to pay for them with a single 3d coin, NOT we were
told in no uncertain terms, in three pennies, as teachers "didn't have
time to count them all"!

Could you imagine today's press angle on that?!


[1] This all seems very archaic now. ;-)
--


Perhaps they thought that it would be easier for the pupils to keep track of
one coin, rather than two or three?




MIG June 18th 08 11:58 AM

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On 18 Jun, 07:59, James Farrar wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:55:59 +0100, wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message
.. .


Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


They're almost impossible to pick up when dropped on a hard floor
without long fingernails. I've taken to hoarding them, along with
pennies and tuppences, and exchanging them at the bank when I have a
bagful.


Is there any estimate on how much in coins people are hoarding?


If you believe this American eco-nut, somewhere in the order of £400
million.

http://www.greenlivingtips.com/artic...ding-and-the-e...

"According to the research I was able to do, in Ireland, approximately
$60 million of coins are being hoarded. In the UK it's somewhere in
the region of three quarters of a billion dollars worth!"

Sounds reasonable. Right now I've got about £6 not counting the "in
use" ones.


A few years ago I had got into the habit of chucking all my brown
money into a box.

I didn't know what to do with it till Sainsburys provided a machine to
count it and give you a receipt that you could take to the till for
the equivalent in sensible denominations (minus an outrageous 7%).

The problem was that I could barely pick up the money and had to put
it in a large rucksack to get it there. I got over £80 even with the
ripoff.

But it would require about 9 million people to do something similar to
add up to the three quarters of a (presumably American) billion
suggested. I am not one of them any more.

MIG June 18th 08 12:04 PM

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On 18 Jun, 12:58, MIG wrote:
On 18 Jun, 07:59, James Farrar wrote:





On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:55:59 +0100, wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message
.. .


Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


They're almost impossible to pick up when dropped on a hard floor
without long fingernails. I've taken to hoarding them, along with
pennies and tuppences, and exchanging them at the bank when I have a
bagful.


Is there any estimate on how much in coins people are hoarding?


If you believe this American eco-nut, somewhere in the order of £400
million.


http://www.greenlivingtips.com/artic...ding-and-the-e...


"According to the research I was able to do, in Ireland, approximately
$60 million of coins are being hoarded. In the UK it's somewhere in
the region of three quarters of a billion dollars worth!"


Sounds reasonable. Right now I've got about £6 not counting the "in
use" ones.


A few years ago I had got into the habit of chucking all my brown
money into a box.

I didn't know what to do with it till Sainsburys provided a machine to
count it and give you a receipt that you could take to the till for
the equivalent in sensible denominations (minus an outrageous 7%).

The problem was that I could barely pick up the money and had to put
it in a large rucksack to get it there. *I got over £80 even with the
ripoff.

But it would require about 9 million people to do something similar to
add up to the three quarters of a (presumably American) billion
suggested. *I am not one of them any more.


Oops I meant American billion (ie nine zeros instead of twelve), but
not American currency. That would make it a few less people needed.

No Name June 18th 08 01:35 PM

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"MIG" wrote in message
...

A few years ago I had got into the habit of chucking all my brown
money into a box.

I didn't know what to do with it till Sainsburys provided a machine to
count it and give you a receipt that you could take to the till for
the equivalent in sensible denominations (minus an outrageous 7%).

The problem was that I could barely pick up the money and had to put
it in a large rucksack to get it there. I got over £80 even with the
ripoff.

But it would require about 9 million people to do something similar to
add up to the three quarters of a (presumably American) billion
suggested. I am not one of them any more.

***

Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one might
have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting machines?




Roland Perry June 18th 08 01:48 PM

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In message , at 14:35:13 on Wed, 18
Jun 2008, remarked:
Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one might
have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting machines?


Last time I did that they almost threw me out. But seeing as there
wasn't a queue they counted it and accepted it and told me not to do it
again. I think they normally require bulk change sorted, bagged and
weighed, which they can then quickly check by re-weighing.
--
Roland Perry

James Farrar June 18th 08 04:54 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:48:14 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 14:35:13 on Wed, 18
Jun 2008, remarked:
Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one might
have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting machines?


Last time I did that they almost threw me out. But seeing as there
wasn't a queue they counted it and accepted it and told me not to do it
again. I think they normally require bulk change sorted, bagged and
weighed, which they can then quickly check by re-weighing.


Which is what I do. Because I'm nice like that :-)

They want 100 pennies, 50 tuppences or 100 five pence pieces in a bag.
Not sure above that.

You can get the bags from any high street bank and I've never had a
problem with using the "wrong" bank's bag...

Tim Roll-Pickering June 18th 08 04:57 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
wrote:

Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one might
have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting machines?


Banks vary quite a bit on this. When I first got a current account in 1992
one of the considerations was the ability to pay in loose coins. Even then
some banks wouldn't take them out of hours. Now even my bank is switching
its payin machines from "deposit an envelope" to "feed in the notes and
cheques" with no cash option.

What the heck are people meant to do with their loose change? Debit cards
haven't totally taken over the universe yet.



James Farrar June 18th 08 04:57 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:58:08 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote:

On 18 Jun, 07:59, James Farrar wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:55:59 +0100, wrote:
"James Farrar" wrote in message
.. .


Todays 5p IMHO clashes with the lower threshold where coins are too
small to be convenient to handle.


They're almost impossible to pick up when dropped on a hard floor
without long fingernails. I've taken to hoarding them, along with
pennies and tuppences, and exchanging them at the bank when I have a
bagful.


Is there any estimate on how much in coins people are hoarding?


If you believe this American eco-nut, somewhere in the order of £400
million.

http://www.greenlivingtips.com/artic...ding-and-the-e...

"According to the research I was able to do, in Ireland, approximately
$60 million of coins are being hoarded. In the UK it's somewhere in
the region of three quarters of a billion dollars worth!"

Sounds reasonable. Right now I've got about £6 not counting the "in
use" ones.


A few years ago I had got into the habit of chucking all my brown
money into a box.

I didn't know what to do with it till Sainsburys provided a machine to
count it and give you a receipt that you could take to the till for
the equivalent in sensible denominations (minus an outrageous 7%).

The problem was that I could barely pick up the money and had to put
it in a large rucksack to get it there. I got over £80 even with the
ripoff.

But it would require about 9 million people to do something similar to
add up to the three quarters of a (presumably American) billion
suggested. I am not one of them any more.


£400 million, say 50 million people old enough to have coins (I have
no idea of the population age distribution but 40 million seems too
low and 60 million too high) makes for an average of £8 per person.

It could be a total figure for coins held by people (rather than
shops/banks) including "in use" coins, I suppose.

BH Williams June 18th 08 05:07 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 

"James Farrar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:48:14 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 14:35:13 on Wed, 18
Jun 2008, remarked:
Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one
might
have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting
machines?


Last time I did that they almost threw me out. But seeing as there
wasn't a queue they counted it and accepted it and told me not to do it
again. I think they normally require bulk change sorted, bagged and
weighed, which they can then quickly check by re-weighing.


Which is what I do. Because I'm nice like that :-)

They want 100 pennies, 50 tuppences or 100 five pence pieces in a bag.
Not sure above that.

You can get the bags from any high street bank and I've never had a
problem with using the "wrong" bank's bag...

Banks and post offices weigh the money (which must be in the prescribed
amount for the bag, £1 for 'copper', £5 for 'silver' and £ 20 for £1/£2
coins), and only count them if there is a discrepancy between the actual
weight and the norm. Bags seem to be in a 'pool', and I've never had
problems with the wrong sort of bag in all the years I've done it. In the
days of telephone stamps, the change used to serve to buy these, taking some
of the sting out of paying the quarterly bill.
Brian



Tom Anderson June 18th 08 05:28 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

wrote:

Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one
might have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting
machines?


Banks vary quite a bit on this. When I first got a current account in
1992 one of the considerations was the ability to pay in loose coins.
Even then some banks wouldn't take them out of hours. Now even my bank
is switching its payin machines from "deposit an envelope" to "feed in
the notes and cheques" with no cash option.

What the heck are people meant to do with their loose change?


Buy sweets.

I used to accumulate coppers, and then have to deal with paying them in.
Then i realised i could just accumulate them in my pocket up to the sum of
10p, then use them to replace a 10p coin in my next transaction. These
days, i rarely own more than a few coppers.

tom

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Peter Masson June 18th 08 05:45 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 

"BH Williams" wrote

You can get the bags from any high street bank and I've never had a
problem with using the "wrong" bank's bag...

Banks and post offices weigh the money (which must be in the prescribed
amount for the bag, £1 for 'copper', £5 for 'silver' and £ 20 for £1/£2
coins), and only count them if there is a discrepancy between the actual
weight and the norm. Bags seem to be in a 'pool', and I've never had
problems with the wrong sort of bag in all the years I've done it.


£10 for 20p or 50p coins. If you are paying coins in, and haven't got a full
bag, they can still weigh what you've got, and only seem to resort to
counting if there aren't very many coins. They do, though, like you to
separate different denominations.

Peter



No Name June 18th 08 06:29 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
"James Farrar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:48:14 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 14:35:13 on Wed, 18
Jun 2008, remarked:
Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one
might
have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting
machines?


Last time I did that they almost threw me out. But seeing as there
wasn't a queue they counted it and accepted it and told me not to do it
again. I think they normally require bulk change sorted, bagged and
weighed, which they can then quickly check by re-weighing.


Which is what I do. Because I'm nice like that :-)

They want 100 pennies, 50 tuppences or 100 five pence pieces in a bag.
Not sure above that.

You can get the bags from any high street bank and I've never had a
problem with using the "wrong" bank's bag...


I would imagine that this is what banks expect you to do.




No Name June 18th 08 06:30 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Is it not possible to take the money to bank, particularly where one
might have an account, rather than to go through one of those counting
machines?


Banks vary quite a bit on this. When I first got a current account in 1992
one of the considerations was the ability to pay in loose coins. Even then
some banks wouldn't take them out of hours. Now even my bank is switching
its payin machines from "deposit an envelope" to "feed in the notes and
cheques" with no cash option.


Beats having to stand in queue.

What the heck are people meant to do with their loose change? Debit cards
haven't totally taken over the universe yet.


Spend it or save it, I guess.



Neil Williams June 18th 08 07:52 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:57:00 +0100, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

Banks vary quite a bit on this. When I first got a current account in 1992
one of the considerations was the ability to pay in loose coins. Even then
some banks wouldn't take them out of hours. Now even my bank is switching
its payin machines from "deposit an envelope" to "feed in the notes and
cheques" with no cash option.


Go to the counter?

What the heck are people meant to do with their loose change? Debit cards
haven't totally taken over the universe yet.


With a bit of effort, it's easy to minimise the amount of it you
produce by taking the time (it doesn't take that long!) to pay with
exact change when you have it. This wasn't my habit before, but when
I spent a year living in Germany I found most shop assistants would
insist on it if at all possible, so as I was in the habit I stuck with
it. I do have a small change jar (1p and 2p mainly) but it only ends
up with a few in a week.

On another note, though, I would like to see the abolition of the 1p
and 2p coins as the Dutch have done with the 1 and 2 euro-cent coins.
There is hardly a need for them these days.

Neil

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Steve Fitzgerald June 18th 08 09:20 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In message , Neil Williams
writes
On another note, though, I would like to see the abolition of the 1p
and 2p coins as the Dutch have done with the 1 and 2 euro-cent coins.
There is hardly a need for them these days.


Are they allowed to do that when they are valid elsewhere in the EU?
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