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Stimpy July 2nd 08 07:48 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:42:27 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote

Yes, but you appear to have forgotten the convention for writing the
amounts down. It would be either "1s 3d" or "1/3". If one of your
prices
had been 1s 4d, then the way you wrote them would have indicated a
farthing.

Thought it would also have been set off as 1' 3".

That's one foot three inches.


Indeed it is, but I believe that such quotation marks are used for other
things as well.


As someone else has pointed out, for angles, but not, in my experience, for
monetary values. Remember the default was 3 values, pounds, shilling and
pence, the use of ' and " wouldn't allow that.


I was also around during the pre-decimal era and only ever remember seeing
£SD written as 3s 6d or 3/6



Graeme Wall July 2nd 08 08:05 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In message k
Stimpy wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:42:27 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote

Yes, but you appear to have forgotten the convention for writing the
amounts down. It would be either "1s 3d" or "1/3". If one of your
prices
had been 1s 4d, then the way you wrote them would have indicated a
farthing.

Thought it would also have been set off as 1' 3".

That's one foot three inches.

Indeed it is, but I believe that such quotation marks are used for
other things as well.


As someone else has pointed out, for angles, but not, in my experience,
for monetary values. Remember the default was 3 values, pounds, shilling
and pence, the use of ' and " wouldn't allow that.


I was also around during the pre-decimal era and only ever remember seeing
£SD written as 3s 6d or 3/6



3/6d had a certain vogue in shops that traditionally had a creative way with
apostrophe's.

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Graeme Wall
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Mark Brader July 2nd 08 09:00 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
Stephen Sprunk writes:
AFAIK, all TVMs in the US and Canada will accept $20 bills. The problem
with doing that is the change you get ...


In Toronto you can buy a single token (for the equivalent of a cash
fare, $2.75) from a vending machine, but you have to pay in coins, so
change is not an issue. (I'm not sure whether they give change from a
$3 or $4 payment -- I never pay single fares and it never occurred to
me to think about it until now. When the present machines were brought
into use, the cash fare was $2, so this was not an issue.)

The machines do take $20 bills, but what you get out is 8 tokens and
$2 in change. Similarly, a $10 bill gives you 4 tokens and $1. The
effective rate of $2.25 is equivalent to the 5 tokens for $11.25 that
you can buy in a store or from a human subway-station fare collector.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "The walls have hearsay."
-- Fonseca & Carolino

Peter Beale July 2nd 08 09:28 AM

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Graeme Wall wrote:

As someone else has pointed out, for angles, but not, in my experience, for
monetary values. Remember the default was 3 values, pounds, shilling and
pence, the use of ' and " wouldn't allow that.

I suppose it could, if ° was the sign for a pound (which of course it
isn't) as used for degrees/minutes/seconds.

Peter Beale

Peter Beale July 2nd 08 09:34 AM

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Stimpy wrote:

I was also around during the pre-decimal era and only ever remember seeing
£SD written as 3s 6d or 3/6

But when you got into the pounds there were more possibilities: £1/3/6,
£1 3s 6d,
£1-3-6, £1:3:6 etc. (also 23/6 from time to time, not least on railway
tickets - in the new issue of RM there is a picture of a ticket for the
"15 guinea special", with the price shown as "315s."(.

Peter Beale



Stimpy July 2nd 08 10:09 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:34:05 +0100, Peter Beale wrote
Stimpy wrote:

I was also around during the pre-decimal era and only ever remember seeing
£SD written as 3s 6d or 3/6

But when you got into the pounds there were more possibilities: £1/3/6,
£1 3s 6d, £1-3-6, £1:3:6 etc.


Indeed... that's why I didn't go there :-)


Stephen Sprunk July 2nd 08 08:24 PM

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Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:51:50 +0100, Martin Rich
wrote:

I doubt many people in Britain still use cheques to pay their credit
card bills, in preference to instructing bill payments by phone or
Internet.


I can't see cheques in the UK lasting another 10 years at all, to be
honest. In the US, though, my understanding is that many people still
get paid by cheque, which in the UK is almost completely unknown -
direct bank transfer is the usual.


In the US, it takes a couple pay cycles to get direct deposit set up,
though most white-collar workers do it immediately upon changing jobs.
It's not as common in service-industry or blue-collar jobs, where folks
may even be paid in cash each week or even each day; that appears to be
mainly a cultural thing, though the banks are trying their best to
change that by offering "free" accounts only to people with direct
deposit. Still, many folks resist that, for reasons I've never
understood myself. Also, many smaller employers simply don't offer it
because their banks charge extra fees for the service (in addition to
setup fees to use it at all), whereas checks are free.

S

Stephen Sprunk July 2nd 08 08:37 PM

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Dik T. Winter wrote:
In article (Neil Williams) writes:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:51:50 +0100, Martin Rich
wrote:
I doubt many people in Britain still use cheques to pay their credit
card bills, in preference to instructing bill payments by phone or
Internet.


I can't see cheques in the UK lasting another 10 years at all, to be
honest. In the US, though, my understanding is that many people still
get paid by cheque, which in the UK is almost completely unknown -
direct bank transfer is the usual.


I can't remember ever having seen a cheque used in the Netherlands. But
I know that cashing them can be a problem, so much so that cashing a
cheque that I received for a refund from the US would cost me more than
its value.


Cashing checks can be expensive in the US as well; the normal solution
is to deposit it in your own account because that's free. If you don't
have an account, you have to go to the issuing bank and pay a small fee
or (if it's a payroll check) go to a check-cashing store and pay a large
fee (only logical if the check is from a bank that's not local or not
open when you need the money).

Checks are, unfortunately, something you have to deal with in the US.
They're the default method of payment for nearly everything (except,
lately, for small to medium retail purchases), though more and more
places are starting to accept debit cards. Many non-retail transactions
simply can't be done with plastic, though that's gradually changing, and
the ones that can often have a "convenience fee" for using a credit or
debit card. Also, as noted, many debit cards have daily limits that
make using them to pay some things impossible. That leaves credit
cards, but that opens a whole 'nother can of worms, and assumes the
person has good enough credit to get one (and it isn't maxed out, as
many people's are).

S

Nick Leverton July 2nd 08 11:28 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article ,
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
wrote:

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
...


Yes, but you appear to have forgotten the convention for writing the
amounts down. It would be either "1s 3d" or "1/3". If one of your

Thought it would also have been set off as 1' 3".


As someone else has pointed out, for angles, but not, in my experience, for
monetary values. Remember the default was 3 values, pounds, shilling and
pence, the use of ' and " wouldn't allow that.


Though admittedly I was only 12 on D-Day, I don't remember ever seeing
or learning the 1'3" format Hounslow3 mentions. I'm certain that " was
never used for pence. On greengrocers' signs prices might have been
shown as 1'3 per lb, for instance, but the triangular apostrophe-like
thing was really a stylised form of the diagonal stroke (solidus I think
it's called ?) in 1/3.

On the other hand as far as I recall, prices like 1/3d were not uncommon
in shop windows, even though not technically correct.

Nick
--
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"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

Hans-Joachim Zierke July 2nd 08 11:34 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 

Stephen Sprunk schrieb:


In the US, it takes a couple pay cycles to get direct deposit set up,
though most white-collar workers do it immediately upon changing jobs.
It's not as common in service-industry or blue-collar jobs, where folks
may even be paid in cash each week or even each day; that appears to be
mainly a cultural thing, though the banks are trying their best to
change that by offering "free" accounts only to people with direct
deposit. Still, many folks resist that, for reasons I've never
understood myself.


They probably fear, that the administrative effort for some extra would
be too high for the employer.

In blue collar jobs paid weekly over the table, it is custom in many
companies, that some extra bills go over the table in case of some extra
effort. I don't think, that anybody pays taxes on it, and in fact, the
bookkeeping costs for this might get higher as the sums involved.

That would also be the time, to cash in the small sums, which you might
have spent buying other people's help during the week. On construction
sites, that happens more often than you might think.


Hans-Joachim


--
San Joaquin Daylight, Tehachapi Loop, 1971

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Nobody July 3rd 08 03:43 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article ,
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
wrote:

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
...


Yes, but you appear to have forgotten the convention for writing the
amounts down. It would be either "1s 3d" or "1/3". If one of your

Thought it would also have been set off as 1' 3".


As someone else has pointed out, for angles, but not, in my experience, for
monetary values. Remember the default was 3 values, pounds, shilling and
pence, the use of ' and " wouldn't allow that.


Though admittedly I was only 12 on D-Day, I don't remember ever seeing
or learning the 1'3" format Hounslow3 mentions. I'm certain that " was
never used for pence. On greengrocers' signs prices might have been
shown as 1'3 per lb, for instance, but the triangular apostrophe-like
thing was really a stylised form of the diagonal stroke (solidus I think
it's called ?) in 1/3.

On the other hand as far as I recall, prices like 1/3d were not uncommon
in shop windows, even though not technically correct.


I'd tend to agree from memory as a nipper in New Zealand, as well...
though after 41 years (as of Thurday 10 July -- DC Day's anniversary)
who's to say what was exactly on signs!


Colum Mylod July 3rd 08 03:40 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:13:12 GMT, "Dik T. Winter"
wrote:

I can't remember ever having seen a cheque used in the Netherlands. But
I know that cashing them can be a problem, so much so that cashing a
cheque that I received for a refund from the US would cost me more than
its value.


On the other hand, you won't find an "acceptgiro" in use in the UK.
That probably explains the lower use of cheques in NL, apart from the
low limit from the old days of NLG300 for the then Eurocheques?

--
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So back to cmylod at bigfoot dot com

Nobody July 4th 08 12:21 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article ,
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
wrote:

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
...


Yes, but you appear to have forgotten the convention for writing the
amounts down. It would be either "1s 3d" or "1/3". If one of your

Thought it would also have been set off as 1' 3".


As someone else has pointed out, for angles, but not, in my experience, for
monetary values. Remember the default was 3 values, pounds, shilling and
pence, the use of ' and " wouldn't allow that.


Though admittedly I was only 12 on D-Day, I don't remember ever seeing
or learning the 1'3" format Hounslow3 mentions. I'm certain that " was
never used for pence. On greengrocers' signs prices might have been
shown as 1'3 per lb, for instance, but the triangular apostrophe-like
thing was really a stylised form of the diagonal stroke (solidus I think
it's called ?) in 1/3.

On the other hand as far as I recall, prices like 1/3d were not uncommon
in shop windows, even though not technically correct.


I'd tend to agree from memory as a nipper in New Zealand, as well...
though after 41 years (as of Thurday 10 July -- DC Day's anniversary)
who's to say what was exactly on signs!


Dik T. Winter July 4th 08 02:27 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article EMOVE writes:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:13:12 GMT, "Dik T. Winter"
wrote:
I can't remember ever having seen a cheque used in the Netherlands. But
I know that cashing them can be a problem, so much so that cashing a
cheque that I received for a refund from the US would cost me more than
its value.


On the other hand, you won't find an "acceptgiro" in use in the UK.
That probably explains the lower use of cheques in NL, apart from the
low limit from the old days of NLG300 for the then Eurocheques?


I do not think so. I do not know when the "acceptgiro" was introduced, but
since I have a regular job (1969), everything was handled with money
transfers between my account and the other account. When I got my salary
it was transfered to my account. When I had to pay something I filled in
a form to transfer money from my account to another account, and did send
it to my bank. The only difference between this and the pre-1980 period
was that my salary for my part-time jobs was paid in cash.

The acceptgiro was only a simplification of the standard way to do things:
fill in a form and send it to your bank; the acceptgiro had many parts
already pre-filled.

I think the main reason is that already late in the fifties, early in the
sixties, nearly everybody had an account with a bank to transfer money with.
I got mine when I was 17 years old. I could cash in from that account at
many places (the nearest sigarshop would be possible many times), put into
that account in the same places. Pay bills with regular money transfers,
and so on.
--
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland;
http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

Peter Masson July 4th 08 06:57 AM

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"Colum Mylod" wrote

On the other hand, you won't find an "acceptgiro" in use in the UK.


Girobank used to offer this sort of service - to pay money to someone you
filled in and signed a Transfer slip, including the account number of the
account you wanted to credit, and sent it to Girobank. It never really
caught on, except for payments e.g. to utilities, who sent with their bill a
Transfer slip, filled in with their account number, and you had to complete
it including your account number of the account to be debited. In any event
it could only be used when both parties maintained Girobank accounts. Apart
from that most people used Girobank as a normal cheque account, and since
Girobank has been taken over by Alliance & Leicester the Transfer slip
system has been abolished.

Peter



MIG July 4th 08 07:17 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
On Jul 4, 7:57*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Colum Mylod" wrote



On the other hand, you won't find an "acceptgiro" in use in the UK.


Girobank used to offer this sort of service - to pay money to someone you
filled in and signed a Transfer slip, including the account number of the
account you wanted to credit, and sent it to Girobank. It never really
caught on, except for payments e.g. to utilities, who sent with their bill a
Transfer slip, filled in with their account number, and you had to complete
it including your account number of the account to be debited. In any event
it could only be used when both parties maintained Girobank accounts. Apart
from that most people used Girobank as a normal cheque account, and since
Girobank has been taken over by Alliance & Leicester the Transfer slip
system has been abolished.


I actually used a Girobank transfer slip to pay in a shop a couple of
times (Woolworths I think). They looked at me a bit oddly, but it was
accepted and went through OK.

news.verizon.net July 19th 08 07:55 AM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 

"Nobody" wrote in message
...

Years ago when the Canadian dollar was trading in the region of 70-75
US cents, the finance chair of our (apartment) strata corporation
began separating out Yankee quarters from the cash inserted in the
complex's laundry machines.

She'd amassed a considerable number of 25-cent pieces (replacing the
value of submitted Ammurican quarters with equivalent Canadian two-bit
pieces so the corporation's books balanced).

She knew I was about to visit Seattle, and asked if I'd cart the loot
across the line and Make A Profit by exchanging the US quarters for
Green Back paper.

Any bank I approached, refused to accept the large numbers of coins as
I wasn't/we weren't a customer.

I finally found one that accepted the metal, although at a "discount"
to handle the loose change... so I ended up basically with paper/bills
worth the same "face value" of the original mass of coins in Canadian
dollars anyway.

The problem was that I could barely pick up the money and had to put
it in a large rucksack to get it there. I got over £80 even with the
ripoff.

But it would require about 9 million people to do something similar to
add up to the three quarters of a (presumably American) billion
suggested. I am not one of them any more.



Next time, roll them and take them to a grocery store. .





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