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Jeremy Double June 25th 08 11:35 AM

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Neil Williams wrote:

In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


Since when? I never do.


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David Horne, _the_ chancellor June 25th 08 11:41 AM

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Jeremy Double wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


Since when? I never do.


Me neither. I've never had a transaction refused abroad, whereas
occasionally I _have_ had it happen in the UK, especially _after_ chip
and pin, annoyingly. At least as far as the RBS seems concerned, I ought
to notify them when I intend spending my money in half a dozen shops
within an hour! :)

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Dik T. Winter June 25th 08 11:48 AM

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In article (Neil Williams) writes:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:08:59 GMT, "Dik T. Winter"
wrote:
How can I give my bank a prior notification that I decide to buy something?


I did it by telephone.


Ok, so I go into the shop, decide to buy something. Go home, wait until
Monday, phone my bank, and go back again to the shop?

In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


That is not done in the Netherlands at all. It is, in my opinion, a
strange procedure.

Also credit cards are limited in the maximum amount and I think those
gbp7,000 would exceed my limit.


Which is why I used a debit card!


Yes, but that would also be beyond the limit of my debit card.

Note moreover that in the Netherlands most people do not have credit
cards for two of reasons:
(1) It costs money to get a credit card


In the UK it doesn't, or not unless you borrow on it.


So, the situation in the UK is quite different from that in the Netherlands.
And so the use of the different kinds of cards are easily explained.

(2) It is possible that a retailer asks you to pay more if you pay
by credit card


Sometimes this happens in the UK, but not all that often. Minimum
charges by card (credit and debit) are rather more common.


Currently most shops do not have a minimum charge when a debit card is
used. As almost all shops now have the equipment to handle debit
cards and in almost all cases the equipment is directly on-line to
the transaction centre, there is no longer a need for that (the
handling fee is quite small). Formerly for each transaction the
equipment would make a phone call to the transaction centre, which
would take additional money and time.
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Sam Wilson June 25th 08 01:27 PM

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In article ,
Jeremy Double wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


Since when? I never do.


I bought air tickets to Spain a few years ago. A few days later I got
an automated call claiming to be from my credit card company and
offering a number to call back on. I didn't, of course - I called the
usual number and asked if the call was legit. It was and the security
people called back and asked if I'd just bought tickets with Iberia. I
said yes, I was going to Spain. They said it was a good job I'd told
them because otherwise they'd have stopped the card if I'd tried to use
it in Spain.

Oddly I'm still with the same credit card company, but I have warned
them about going abroad since then.

Sam

Stephen Sprunk June 25th 08 01:35 PM

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John B wrote:
On 24 Jun, 20:05, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


It is? I've never done or heard of this, and nor have any of the other
people I've just asked about it...


The older way of doing things was to simply deny all out-of-country
transactions unless the customer had specifically requested to be able
to use their card in a particular foreign country. However, with the
amount of international travel these days -- and the amount of flak they
got for denying people's charges when they went on vacation -- that has
generally fallen out of practice.

Today, many of the better banks have "intelligent" systems that try to
spot detect fraud based on usage patterns. If you rarely traveled out
of your city/country or made large purchases, they might flag such
transactions at the time of sale and either deny them, require the
merchant call them, or even now call the customer's cell phone to
verify. If you _knew_ you were about to change your pattern, you would
call up and let them know to turn off the flags for a particular period.

S

Stephen Sprunk June 25th 08 02:16 PM

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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:34:08 -0500, Stephen Sprunk
wrote:
The issue at hand, though, is that neither of those things help the
blind figure out what they're holding; you need different sizes,
braille, or something similar that can be distinguished solely by touch,
and as of today US notes have nothing helpful in that area -- they all
feel exactly the same.

I recall some notes I had a while back when traveling (FRF? NLG? AUD?
NZD?) had clear sections that one could feel and, if given a few
seconds, determine the shape and thus what denomination the note was.
That's an interesting possibility as an alternative to different sizes
or braille. However, I don't know if that would be compatible with the
US's use of cloth notes...

BoE notes have holograms integrated into the (made from rag IIRC)
paper so mixing materials doesn't seem to be a problem.


Interesting. I assume the holograms are attached on top of the rag,
though, instead of integrated into a hole in the material?

With Braille I suspect the difficulty lies with the inconstant thickness
resulting or the eventual flattening of the "dots".


That's one problem; another is that the notes get rather abused in
circulation, being crumpled up, put through washing machines, etc. and
braille relies on having a flat medium, not a wrinkly/soft one.

Punching holes in the notes is probably not an option


Actually, that was my first thought, but obviously the largest notes
would have to have the fewest and/or smallest holes, and you'd have to
study how to do it in a way that wouldn't increase tearing (a problem
for our cloth notes already).

so relying on textural differences seems to be the remaining option
if the size and/or colour can't be changed.


Color can easily be changed for notes above USD1, but that doesn't help
the blind. There are millions of vending machines that take USD1 bills,
though, so any changes to those are impractical. The transition to
coins was supposed to solve that, but hasn't happened yet.

Possibly a variation on the BoE holograms could provide textural
"dots" but how many different denominations of dollar note would need
to be identified ?


We currently have USD 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 notes in circulation.
There also used to be USD 1000 notes in circulation, but they were
withdrawn a few decades ago; I expect USD 200 and 500 notes to
eventually be circulated, as well as a return of the USD 1000 note, in
time due to inflation, but not for several decades.

S

No Name June 25th 08 05:07 PM

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"Matthew Geier" wrote in message
u...

When the Australian Mint patent expires probably. I've heard a story
that the Eurozone investigated using Australian style plastic notes, but
the Australian Mint holds the process very close and wouldn't release the
process for use in Europe. If the Eurozone wanted plastic notes, they
would have to be printed in Australia.

So the only countries that currently have plastic notes all get the
Australian mint to print them for them, so take up of these types of
notes has been limited to smaller Pacific rim counties that don't have
their own currency printing facilities or don't mind 'out sourcing' it to
Australia.

What about Romania, however? They have a 1,000-lei note.



No Name June 25th 08 05:08 PM

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"Phil Wieland" wrote in message
...

So the only countries that currently have plastic notes all get the
Australian mint to print them for them, so take up of these types of
notes has been limited to smaller Pacific rim counties that don't have
their own currency printing facilities or don't mind 'out sourcing' it to
Australia.


Doesn't the Isle of Man have plastic notes? Are theirs Australian as
well?

Not to my knowledge and not in my experience as I was there not too long
ago.



No Name June 25th 08 05:11 PM

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"John B" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jun, 20:05, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


It is? I've never done or heard of this, and nor have any of the other
people I've just asked about it...

--

Neither have I as it is none of their business. One time I told them that I
planned to be abroad and not to go into a panic. when they see withdrawals
from a non-UK bank on my card. They said that I would need to supply them
with an itinerary, to which I most firmly told them: NO!



Hugh Brodie June 25th 08 05:48 PM

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"Hugh Brodie" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
"Hugh Brodie" wrote in message
...

Speaking of hyper-inflation, it's fun looking at the website of the
Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe http://www.rbz.co.zw to see the daily exchange
rate of the $Z vs the $US. Yesterday, it was 5,817,000,000; today it's
6,718,000,000. They have just issued $Z 50,000,000,000 notes ("bearer
cheques"). And it will cost you $Z 1,800,000,000 to mail a postcard to
the US. http://www.zimpost.co.zw/postalrates.html


It's a shame that there are no images of currently circulating Zimbabwean
notes or coins.


A few notes here - buying a beer in Hara
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DG

On the other hand - the Zimbabwe stock market has been one of the best
performing in the world. The industrial index which was at 1,000 a couple
of years ago, is now 5,160,207,611,002.24 .
http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=478&cat=8


More big numbers: your average Zimbabwe stock portfolio has tripled since my
last posting - the industrial index is now at 16,421,906,235,086.20 (but
still under $Z 10 billion to the US$) . Good housing is in the $Z 3-5
quadrillion range. Market capitalization of a major local company (Delta) is
$Z 26.2 quintillion. http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=653&cat=8

hb.



Charles Ellson June 25th 08 07:03 PM

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:08:55 +0100, wrote:

"Phil Wieland" wrote in message
...

So the only countries that currently have plastic notes all get the
Australian mint to print them for them, so take up of these types of
notes has been limited to smaller Pacific rim counties that don't have
their own currency printing facilities or don't mind 'out sourcing' it to
Australia.


Doesn't the Isle of Man have plastic notes? Are theirs Australian as
well?

Not to my knowledge and not in my experience as I was there not too long
ago.

They had them in the 1980s, their main fault was that the ink came
off. One party trick was IIRC to put a 50p note in the oven and shrink
it.

They were made from Tyvek which was phonetically close to the Manx
Gaelic (thie-veg) for toilet/lavatory, thus "Tyvek paper" equated
closely enough for critics to "toilet paper". Unfortunately, the
aforementioned fault made them unsuitable for emergency use as such.

See also:-
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...ymer-banknotes

Charles Ellson June 25th 08 07:06 PM

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:56:27 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote:


"Charles Ellson" wrote

BoE notes have holograms integrated into the (made from rag IIRC)
paper so mixing materials doesn't seem to be a problem. With Braille I
suspect the difficulty lies with the inconstant thickness resulting or
the eventual flattening of the "dots". Punching holes in the notes is
probably not an option so relying on textural differences seems to be
the remaining option if the size and/or colour can't be changed.
Possibly a variation on the BoE holograms could provide textural
"dots" but how many different denominations of dollar note would need
to be identified ?


I'm not sure what features blind people use to distinguish BoE notes, but
apart from different size for different denominations, and the hologram,
they use raised printing. In the past the size of BoE notes have changed
(the white fivers were ginormous, and in the 1960s we got new small pound
notes - didn't we accuse Harold Wilson of shrinking the pound?), though I
suspect that changing the size of notes now would cause difficulties for
cash machines, vending machines that accept notes, etc.

ITYF the machines are now rather "international" and a change of any
of the notes accepted is now basically only a software matter for the
makers.

Neil Williams June 25th 08 07:23 PM

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:35:36 +0100, Jeremy Double
wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

In the UK it is also conventional that you notify your bank if you
intend on travelling abroad.


Since when? I never do.


I always do, always have and I recall that my bank (the Co-op)
recommend it!

Neil

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Neil Williams June 25th 08 07:28 PM

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:48:42 GMT, "Dik T. Winter"
wrote:

Ok, so I go into the shop, decide to buy something. Go home, wait until
Monday, phone my bank, and go back again to the shop?


I can telephone my bank 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 (or 366)
days a year. This I find quite good. I don't have to do it very
often, though, as most of my business can be carried out quite
satisfactorily on their web site.

But I can notify such a large purchase very easily in advance, as a
car (or anything else for GBP7000) is hardly going to be an impulse
purchase. I can still make the purchase. You can't, as you have a
hard limit. I find the situation I'm in vastly superior.

That is not done in the Netherlands at all. It is, in my opinion, a
strange procedure.


Not really. To go out of the UK requires a bit of planning (usually),
and it's a call that can be made very quickly, yet reduces the risk of
magstripe cloning substantially, especially as a magstripe-cloned card
from a Chip & PIN card is pretty useless in the UK now; you would
almost certainly have to go abroad to use it, so that's what happens.

Yes, but that would also be beyond the limit of my debit card.


That's a difference, clearly.

Neil

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ŽiŠardo June 25th 08 08:19 PM

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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
wrote:

If the notes are from Scotland and bear the word sterling then they are
legal tender and I believe that retailers have to accept them. I have not
had a problem receiving Scottish notes or paying with them, beyond the
occasional odd look.


I have, however, had problems with Northern Irish notes - even from places
that don't give Scottish notes a second glance!


I'm glad you said that. I've always made the point when accepting
Scottish banknotes that they are not legal tender, often to be met with
a gobfull of abuse from know-all Scots. I keep meaning to get in a stock
of sterling notes from Northern Ireland, so if a note is required in
change I can give them, say, a a Ł5 or Ł10 sterling note issued by the
Bank of Ireland or the First Trust Bank to see whether that would
improve their humour.

I don't know where the idea comes from that Scottish notes are legal
tender because the bear the "sterling" because it simply isn't true -
even in Scotland!

Similarly, no Bank of England banknote has legal tender status in
Scotland either, the last one to have such status being the Ł1 B of E note.

http://www.siliconglen.com/Scotland/1_7.html

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No Name June 25th 08 08:34 PM

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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:08:55 +0100, wrote:

"Phil Wieland" wrote in message
...

So the only countries that currently have plastic notes all get the
Australian mint to print them for them, so take up of these types of
notes has been limited to smaller Pacific rim counties that don't have
their own currency printing facilities or don't mind 'out sourcing' it
to
Australia.

Doesn't the Isle of Man have plastic notes? Are theirs Australian as
well?

Not to my knowledge and not in my experience as I was there not too long
ago.

They had them in the 1980s, their main fault was that the ink came
off. One party trick was IIRC to put a 50p note in the oven and shrink
it.

They were made from Tyvek which was phonetically close to the Manx
Gaelic (thie-veg) for toilet/lavatory, thus "Tyvek paper" equated
closely enough for critics to "toilet paper". Unfortunately, the
aforementioned fault made them unsuitable for emergency use as such.

See also:-
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...ymer-banknotes


A Manx 50p note, you said? They had subunit banknotes? Interesting, indeed.
The only other nation that I know of with subunits in bankotes was the
50-cent note in the Bahamas. I don't doubt, however, that there are other
places in the world with similar notes.

I gave that information a glance and saw what was written about the Tyvek
notes. I also saw on Wikipedia that Plymer notes are currently in
circulation in areas close to Australia, such as Brunei, New Zealand,
Vietnam and Romania. But there is also something called Guardian polymer
notes, which are found in countries much further afield.

Apparently, Northern Ireland is one of the states that issue polymer
banknotes, though only for commemoratives.



No Name June 25th 08 08:38 PM

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"ŽiŠardo" wrote in message
...
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
wrote:

I'm glad you said that. I've always made the point when accepting Scottish
banknotes that they are not legal tender, often to be met with a gobfull
of abuse from know-all Scots. I keep meaning to get in a stock of sterling
notes from Northern Ireland, so if a note is required in change I can give
them, say, a a Ł5 or Ł10 sterling note issued by the Bank of Ireland or
the First Trust Bank to see whether that would improve their humour.

I don't know where the idea comes from that Scottish notes are legal
tender because the bear the "sterling" because it simply isn't true - even
in Scotland!


That's actually happened, where one person pays in Scottish money and gets
change back in same denominatio.

If banks accept Scottish notes for deposit, is it really such a problem for
retailers to accept them from the general public, provided that they are not
the 1-pound notes?




Richard J.[_2_] June 25th 08 09:23 PM

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wrote:

A Manx 50p note, you said? They had subunit banknotes? Interesting,
indeed. The only other nation that I know of with subunits in
bankotes was the 50-cent note in the Bahamas.


I guess you must be too young to remember the 10 shilling (= 50p) note in
Britain.

This was the 10s. note of 1955:
http://www.thebanknotestore.com/brit...and/p368cf.jpg

and this the rather beautiful design of 1966-70 before decimalisation
replaced it with the 50p coin:
http://www.collector-tower.com/bankn...bp_10s_66f.jpg
--
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Peter Masson June 25th 08 09:34 PM

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wrote

A Manx 50p note, you said? They had subunit banknotes? Interesting,

indeed.
The only other nation that I know of with subunits in bankotes was the
50-cent note in the Bahamas. I don't doubt, however, that there are other
places in the world with similar notes.

Bank of England 10 shilling notes were in regular use until 1970, when they
were superseded by the 50 pence coin. Smaller denomination Treasury notes
were printed during WW1, though not issued.

Peter



Peter Beale June 25th 08 09:54 PM

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wrote:

A Manx 50p note, you said? They had subunit banknotes? Interesting, indeed.
The only other nation that I know of with subunits in bankotes was the
50-cent note in the Bahamas. I don't doubt, however, that there are other
places in the world with similar notes.

We had a ten-shilling note (half of one pound sterling) almost up to
decimalization in 1971 - I think it was withdrawn in favour of the 50p
coin in 1970.

Peter Beale

Nobody June 26th 08 01:52 AM

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In article (Neil Williams) writes:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:08:40 GMT, "Dik T. Winter"
wrote:
At least in the Netherlands there is a maximum amount that can be payed with
a debit card. And that maximum is independent of the saldo on your account.
When I bought a computer quite some time ago (and, no, it was not a cheap
one), the total amount exceeded this maximum (DFL 2000 at that time), so I
had to pay the remainder by credit card.


With prior notification to your bank, why have one?


How can I give my bank a prior notification that I decide to buy something?

I found a (Visa)
debit card to be an extremely convenient way of paying just over
gbp7,000 for a car a few years ago, certainly compared to the risk of
cash or the cost and inconvenience of a banker's cheque.


Also credit cards are limited in the maximum amount and I think those
gbp7,000 would exceed my limit.

Note moreover that in the Netherlands most people do not have credit
cards for two of reasons:
(1) It costs money to get a credit card


Costs to "get" a credit card?

(2) It is possible that a retailer asks you to pay more if you pay
by credit card


Pay more to use a cr card for a transaction?

Lordy, in North America, both scenarios would lead to loud guffaws,
and protests along the lines of.. "you want my business?".


(1) is not so strong for a debit card because it costs less than a
credit card (something like EUR 5 a year for a debit card against
EUR 30 a year for a credit card). (2) is not necessary for debit cards
because the cost for the retailer is *much* less than with a credit card
(a few cent for each transaction vs. 3 to 5 % of the amount of the
transaction).



Nobody June 26th 08 02:01 AM

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"Hugh Brodie" wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
"Hugh Brodie" wrote in message
...

Speaking of hyper-inflation, it's fun looking at the website of the
Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe http://www.rbz.co.zw to see the daily exchange
rate of the $Z vs the $US. Yesterday, it was 5,817,000,000; today it's
6,718,000,000. They have just issued $Z 50,000,000,000 notes ("bearer
cheques"). And it will cost you $Z 1,800,000,000 to mail a postcard to
the US. http://www.zimpost.co.zw/postalrates.html


It's a shame that there are no images of currently circulating Zimbabwean
notes or coins.


A few notes here - buying a beer in Hara
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...%3Den%26sa%3DG

On the other hand - the Zimbabwe stock market has been one of the best
performing in the world. The industrial index which was at 1,000 a couple
of years ago, is now 5,160,207,611,002.24 .
http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=478&cat=8


More big numbers: your average Zimbabwe stock portfolio has tripled since my
last posting - the industrial index is now at 16,421,906,235,086.20 (but
still under $Z 10 billion to the US$) . Good housing is in the $Z 3-5
quadrillion range. Market capitalization of a major local company (Delta) is
$Z 26.2 quintillion. http://www.herald.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=653&cat=8

hb.


Yikes, if the situation in ZW weren't as serious as it is, that COULD
be funny.

The average person won't be involved in any stock transactions surely,
but simply be trying to survive.

So sad.

MIG June 26th 08 06:46 AM

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On Jun 25, 10:54*pm, Peter Beale wrote:
wrote:

A Manx 50p note, you said? They had subunit banknotes? Interesting, indeed.
The only other nation that I know of with subunits in bankotes was the
50-cent note in the Bahamas. I don't doubt, however, that there are other
places in the world with similar notes.


We had a ten-shilling note (half of one pound sterling) almost up to
decimalization in 1971 - I think it was withdrawn in favour of the 50p
coin in 1970.


That's three people mentioning 1970, but surely the 50p came in in
1969? That's certainly when the bulk of the original ones were dated.

Peter Masson June 26th 08 06:54 AM

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"MIG" wrote

That's three people mentioning 1970, but surely the 50p came in in
1969? That's certainly when the bulk of the original ones were dated.


The 10 shilling notes were last issued, and the 50 p coin first issued in
1969. For a year or so they both circulated alongside each other, until,
towards the end of 1970 the 10 shilling note ceased to be legal tender.

Peter



MIG June 26th 08 07:02 AM

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On Jun 26, 7:54*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"MIG" wrote



That's three people mentioning 1970, but surely the 50p came in in
1969? *That's certainly when the bulk of the original ones were dated.


The 10 shilling notes were last issued, and the 50 p coin first issued in
1969. For a year or so they both circulated alongside each other, until,
towards the end of 1970 the 10 shilling note ceased to be legal tender.

Peter


Ah right. Thinking about it, there was a similar transition for Ł1
notes in 1983, but I don't remember if it spanned different years.

In both cases there seem to have been enough issued to replace all the
notes in circulation. The majority of 50ps in circulation were dated
1969 for a long time, and not many dated 1970 (or any dated 1971 that
I can remember [or any coins at all dated 1972, except perhaps in
collector sets]).

Peter Masson June 26th 08 07:11 AM

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"MIG" wrote

Ah right. Thinking about it, there was a similar transition for Ł1
notes in 1983, but I don't remember if it spanned different years.


GBP1 notes were issued until the end of 1984, and remained legal tender
until 1988.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...uide/index.htm
IIRC, however, pound coins quickly gained popularity, andyou soon saw the
notes only occasionally.

Peter



ŽiŠardo June 26th 08 08:52 AM

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wrote:
"ŽiŠardo" wrote in message
...
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
wrote:

I'm glad you said that. I've always made the point when accepting Scottish
banknotes that they are not legal tender, often to be met with a gobfull
of abuse from know-all Scots. I keep meaning to get in a stock of sterling
notes from Northern Ireland, so if a note is required in change I can give
them, say, a a Ł5 or Ł10 sterling note issued by the Bank of Ireland or
the First Trust Bank to see whether that would improve their humour.

I don't know where the idea comes from that Scottish notes are legal
tender because the bear the "sterling" because it simply isn't true - even
in Scotland!


That's actually happened, where one person pays in Scottish money and gets
change back in same denominatio.

If banks accept Scottish notes for deposit, is it really such a problem for
retailers to accept them from the general public, provided that they are not
the 1-pound notes?



No it isn't, but unfortunately there have been a lot of of forgeries of
Scottish notes in this part of the world - the West Country - and, given
the general unfamiliarity with them, many traders err on the side of
caution.

Even testing one of these notes under a scanner can start a diatribe
from the person tendering it, however, as per a letter in the Bristol
Evening Post just a week or two ago. Unfortunately only the responses
remain:

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displ...=sidebarsearch

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ŽiŠardo June 26th 08 09:01 AM

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MIG wrote:
On Jun 25, 10:54 pm, Peter Beale wrote:
wrote:

A Manx 50p note, you said? They had subunit banknotes? Interesting, indeed.
The only other nation that I know of with subunits in bankotes was the
50-cent note in the Bahamas. I don't doubt, however, that there are other
places in the world with similar notes.

We had a ten-shilling note (half of one pound sterling) almost up to
decimalization in 1971 - I think it was withdrawn in favour of the 50p
coin in 1970.


That's three people mentioning 1970, but surely the 50p came in in
1969? That's certainly when the bulk of the original ones were dated.


It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html

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Peter Beale June 26th 08 09:09 AM

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ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html


As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly at
the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as an
integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had a 10/-
dollar would have been more sensible. But then I was happy with Łsd!

Peter Beale



Graeme Wall June 26th 08 11:17 AM

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In message
Peter Beale wrote:

ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html


As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly at
the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as an
integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had a 10/-
dollar would have been more sensible.


But would have had all the Little Englanders up in arms at the loss of the
Thousand Year Reich^^^^ Thousand Years of History

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ŽiŠardo June 26th 08 12:37 PM

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Peter Beale wrote:
ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html


As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly at
the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as an
integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had a 10/-
dollar would have been more sensible. But then I was happy with Łsd!

Peter Beale



And they also had the ˝p, of course!

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ŽiŠardo June 26th 08 12:42 PM

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Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
Peter Beale wrote:

ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html

As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly at
the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as an
integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had a 10/-
dollar would have been more sensible.


But would have had all the Little Englanders up in arms at the loss of the
Thousand Year Reich^^^^ Thousand Years of History

At least they have a history - and why just select the "Little
Englanders"? There's quite a few militants about nothing in the other
constituent parts of the UK!

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Graeme Wall June 26th 08 04:27 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In message
ŽiŠardo wrote:

Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
Peter Beale wrote:

ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html
As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly at
the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as an
integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had a 10/-
dollar would have been more sensible.


But would have had all the Little Englanders up in arms at the loss of the
Thousand Year Reich^^^^ Thousand Years of History

At least they have a history - and why just select the "Little
Englanders"? There's quite a few militants about nothing in the other
constituent parts of the UK!


wooosh!

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This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
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Matthew Geier[_4_] June 26th 08 09:32 PM

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:35:07 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:


Today, many of the better banks have "intelligent" systems that try to
spot detect fraud based on usage patterns. If you rarely traveled out
of your city/country or made large purchases, they might flag such
transactions at the time of sale and either deny them, require the
merchant call them, or even now call the customer's cell phone to
verify.


My bank definitely does this - last year just before a trip to Germany I
bought a whole pile of advance purchase DB tickets on-line. A few days
later I got a phone call from my bank asking about a number of
transactions from Germany. The operator said she had noted down against
my account that I was about to travel to Europe after I explained why I
was buying DB tickets with my card.


Nobody June 27th 08 01:28 AM

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ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for decimalisation
in 1971, and there was a transition period allowing dual use of silver
coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and
the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970 that the 10/- note was withdrawn from
circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html


As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly at
the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as an
integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had a 10/-
dollar would have been more sensible. But then I was happy with Łsd!

Peter Beale


Which was the decision made by South Africa, Australia, and New
Zealan... and I guess a few others within their orbits of monetary
influence... as I mentioned before.

Ten bob became one dollar.

Colin Rosenstiel June 27th 08 02:09 PM

How much was a ticket for the underground in the 60s?
 
In article , (Peter
Beale) wrote:

ŽiŠardo wrote:

It was The Currency Act of 1967 which paved the way for
decimalisation in 1971, and there was a transition period
allowing dual use of silver coins, e.g. 1/- = 5p; 2/- = 10p, with
the loss of 2/6 (half-crown) and the 6d (tanner). It was in 1970
that the 10/- note was withdrawn from circulation.

More he

http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec.html

As stated there, the 6d remained in use (as 2˝p) until 1980, partly
at the behest of London Transport. IMO to have vulgar fractions as
an integral part of a decimal system was always silly - to have had
a 10/- dollar would have been more sensible. But then I was happy
with Łsd!


The Spanish and Portuguese didn't seem to have a problem with 2˝ unit
coins until they adopted the Euro. The seemed to positively prefer
coinage going 1, 2˝, 5, 10 to our 1, 2, 5, 10.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

No Name June 27th 08 02:41 PM

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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
l.co.uk...

The Spanish and Portuguese didn't seem to have a problem with 2˝ unit
coins until they adopted the Euro. The seemed to positively prefer
coinage going 1, 2˝, 5, 10 to our 1, 2, 5, 10.


The Dutch had a 2 1/2 guilder coin.



Rian van der Borgt June 27th 08 07:41 PM

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:08:40 GMT, Dik T. Winter wrote:
In writes:
[Someone:]
The question to Rian (who anyway is in Belgium)
should be "Wouldn't it have been easier to pay with a debit card?" (rather
than withdrawing unusual amounts of cash from his bank).


Agreed.


At least in the Netherlands there is a maximum amount that can be payed with
a debit card. And that maximum is independent of the saldo on your account.
When I bought a computer quite some time ago (and, no, it was not a cheap
one), the total amount exceeded this maximum (DFL 2000 at that time), so I
had to pay the remainder by credit card.


I think it was something like NLG 750 for a while.

There are limits on my debit and credit cards indeed. The limit on my
credit card can probably be raised, but I never bothered for just one
payment/year. In previous years, I payed with a mix of cash, debit and
credit cards. But because I needed some cash anyway, I decided this year
to pay it all in cash. There's an office of my bank just a few steps
from where I work, so that's convenient anyway (certainly more
convenient than going to an ATM multiple times on different days). Until
recently, there was also one opposite the railway station (that would
very much limit the time I'd have to carry the cash around), but that's
gone.

Regards,

Rian

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Rian van der Borgt June 27th 08 07:52 PM

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:36:05 +0100, wrote:
"Rian van der Borgt" wrote:
I notice that in Amsterdam, GVB does not accept 50-euro notes.


Not even when you buy ticket(s) for that amount or more?


I'm not sure, though I saw on trams an image of a 50-euro note that had been
crossed out.

My guess is that they are not expexting you to stump up that much cash for
tickets in one go -- at least not on trams.


Ah, that explains it. I was thinking about the GVB office in front of
the central station.
Here in Belgium, bus/tram drivers are also very reluctant to eccept 50
euro notes, simply because they often don't have enough change for them.

Regards,

Rian

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Neil Williams June 27th 08 08:24 PM

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On 27 Jun 2008 19:52:56 GMT, Rian van der Borgt
wrote:

Here in Belgium, bus/tram drivers are also very reluctant to eccept 50
euro notes, simply because they often don't have enough change for them.


Most buses in the UK do not accept GBP20 notes for the same reason.

Neil

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