On Sep 24, 9:13*am, allan tracy wrote:
According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Adrian

On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian

The Real Doctor wrote:
On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.
Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.
This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian

???? Crossrail £13.?bn, WCRM £9bn, CTRL £4bn... Jubilee line
extension... hundreds of thousands?

On Sep 24, 3:07*pm, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:

On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is very bad news. *The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian

That figure sounds high to me.

The passenger carryings on Crossrail may render it one of the world's
most utilized railway lines. It will not quite have the cappacity of
a Paris RER line.

IMHO there is not chioce Crossrail has to be built.

On Sep 24, 3:07*pm, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 wrote:

On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.

Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is very bad news. *The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian

That figure sounds high to me.

The passenger carryings on Crossrail may render it one of the world's
most utilized railway lines. It will not quite have the cappacity of
a Paris RER line.


IMHO, there is no choice, Crossrail has to be built.

On Sep 24, 8:48 pm, 1506 wrote:
On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy wrote:

According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
it.

Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.


Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much? I suppose if it headed off to
Thamesmead or hackney if could have some purpose but it would stilll
duplicate a lot of the central/jubilee without solving the original
crossrail issue.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote

Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much?

The initial motivation for a new east-west cross-London line, which was
developed into Crossrail, was the severe overcrowding of the Central Line,
especially between Stratford and Chancery Lane.

Peter

Boltar wrote:

Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much?

Hell yes. Go to Bank* station on a weekday at 5pm and see how many
trains you have to wait for before you get to crush yourself onto one.
It's not exactly quiet off peak either. And the Central Line's recently
modernised, which added capacity.

Really, this is silly. It's my view that CrossRail is needed. It's very
expensive, but very important. The government need to decide if it's
going to happen or not and then either do it properly or forget about
it. London does not need or deserve a fudge and if that's what happens -
1506 said it - they'll regret it.

Philip.

* The Northern Line's just as bad, if not worse. The Thameslink upgrade
many help here.

Philip Hardy wrote:
Boltar wrote:

Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
central line need relieving much?

Hell yes. Go to Bank* station on a weekday at 5pm and see how many
trains you have to wait for before you get to crush yourself onto one.
It's not exactly quiet off peak either. And the Central Line's
recently modernised, which added capacity.

Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

Really, this is silly. It's my view that CrossRail is needed. It's
very expensive, but very important. The government need to decide if
it's going to happen or not and then either do it properly or forget
about it. London does not need or deserve a fudge and if that's what
happens - 1506 said it - they'll regret it.

CrossRail has been needed for years. But the Government fudges rail
projects in the main in favour of road expansion.

On Oct 1, 1:02*pm, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
Hell yes. Go to Bank* station on a weekday at 5pm and see how many
trains you have to wait for before you get to crush yourself onto one.
It's not exactly quiet off peak either. And the Central Line's
recently modernised, which added capacity.

Most tube lines at 5pm on a weekday in the city have trains that you have
to squeeze in to. It's part of the fun of commuting in London. Well, fun
if you are pressed up closely to some nice woman, but not as nice on a hot
day if you've some fat sweaty herbert holding a ceiling strap in front of
your face!!!

The difference is that on most lines, there are actually trains that
it's possible to squeeze into (this said as a seasoned Victoria Line
pro not some kind of effete non-Londoner). On the Central at Bank at 5
(or at Bethnal Green at 8:30), there physically aren't.

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