Feel free to take a PSV test. Free uniform is hardly a perk, having to
wear a uniform is a major disadvantage -- it'd be worse than having to
wear a suit!

I spend about �1,500 p.a. on clothing and laundering, so free uniform
would be a perk for me.

But free travel, paid holidays, paid sick leave, contributory pension
are all luxuries to someone who is self-employed and earns nothing
when ill or on holiday, has to provide his own pension, medical
insurance etc, etc.

Marc.

And, indeed, I will earn nothing on Friday thanks to these *******s
who will prevent me from getting to work.

Marc.

wrote in message
...
And, indeed, I will earn nothing on Friday thanks to these *******s
who will prevent me from getting to work.

Marc.

Really, are you trapped in 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist's'.

On Oct 9, 9:04 pm, " wrote:
Feel free to take a PSV test. Free uniform is hardly a perk, having to
wear a uniform is a major disadvantage -- it'd be worse than having to
wear a suit!

I spend about 1,500 p.a. on clothing and laundering, so free uniform
would be a perk for me.

But free travel, paid holidays, paid sick leave, contributory pension
are all luxuries to someone who is self-employed and earns nothing
when ill or on holiday, has to provide his own pension, medical
insurance etc, etc.

Typical contractors we employ in my office get about 2x normal salary
-- and that's quite low for the field.

If you're in a £24k job and spending 10% of your net income on
clothing, you need to get a new job.

On 10 Oct, 09:32, Paul Weaver wrote:
Typical contractors we employ in my office get about 2x normal salary
-- and that's quite low for the field.

If you're in a £24k job and spending 10% of your net income on
clothing, you need to get a new job.

Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote:
Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or
mental) or danger it entails. Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot,
scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers
should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and
apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not
exactly dangerous either.

B2003

On 10 Oct, 11:37, Boltar wrote:
On Oct 10, 10:00 am, John B wrote:

Indeed. I've never been especially convinced by the logic of "I've got
two PhDs in astrophysics and only make GBP5 per week, so
$group_of_manual_workers should starve in the gutter"...

A job should be paid on the amount of effort (either physical or
mental) or danger it entails.

A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier
said than done though.

Hence deep sea divers are paid a lot,
scientists and soldiers should be paid a lot but arn't , bus drivers
should not. Their job is neither mentally or physically taxing and
apart from the odd yob with a flick knife in certain dodgy areas not
exactly dangerous either.

Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?

On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote:
A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier
said than done though.

What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some
new drug for example.

Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?

No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous plus obviously
supply and demand comes into it. If plenty of people are willing to do
a job theres no point paying high wages. Something the bus drivers
don't seem to understand. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them get a
P45 in the post and find that Pavel and Igor are now driving their
bus.

B2003

On 12 Oct, 20:00, Boltar wrote:
On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote:

A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is easier
said than done though.

What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some
new drug for example.

Precisely, but assuming you could value that contribution (if 10
different people research a drug, but 9 of then turn up blanks, the
one that doesn't shouldn't get paid more because they had a little
luck)

Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?

No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous

Moreso than bus driving

In ,
Boltar typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: On 12 Oct, 19:44, wrote:
: A job should be paid on the end result. Valuing that result is
: easier said than done though.
:
: What if the end result takes years to come about? Researching for some
: new drug for example.
:
: Should cycle couriers be paid a fortune?
:
: No , because cycling is not particularly dangerous

You've obviously never cycled in central London ;-)

Ivor