On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, wrote:

In article , (Andrew
Heenan) wrote:

And how you think an 'auto' system could conceivably function
*without* registration beats me!

Why does the system need to know more than which /card/ is being topped up?

Because you have to give them your credit/debit card details, so they can
charge you money for the credit which is being topped up. If they took
paypal or something, then maybe they wouldn't have to take your details,
but they don't, so they do.

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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, wrote:

In article , (Andrew
Heenan) wrote:

And how you think an 'auto' system could conceivably function
*without* registration beats me!

Why does the system need to know more than which /card/ is being
topped up?

Because you have to give them your credit/debit card details, so
they can charge you money for the credit which is being topped up.
If they took paypal or something, then maybe they wouldn't have to
take your details, but they don't, so they do.

I can top up a mobile phone at a cash machine. They need to know who I am
to charge me but the phone I'm topping up may not be registered at all and
has no problem being topped up. Same with Oyster cards, surely?

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wrote:
I can top up a mobile phone at a cash machine. They need to know who I am
to charge me but the phone I'm topping up may not be registered at all and
has no problem being topped up. Same with Oyster cards, surely?

They need to know who you are - and the phone number.
Or the Oyster card number.
No difference.
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In article , (Andrew
Heenan) wrote:

wrote:
I can top up a mobile phone at a cash machine. They need to know who
I am to charge me but the phone I'm topping up may not be registered
at all and has no problem being topped up. Same with Oyster cards,
surely?

They need to know who you are - and the phone number.
Or the Oyster card number.
No difference.

Er, obviously you have to give the Oyster card number, but why a phone
number? The cash machine warns you that the money's gone anyway. No
follow-up if the top-up fails.

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
I can top up a mobile phone at a cash machine. They need to know who
I am to charge me but the phone I'm topping up may not be registered
at all and has no problem being topped up. Same with Oyster cards,
They need to know who you are - and the phone number.
Or the Oyster card number.
No difference.
Er, obviously you have to give the Oyster card number, but why a phone
number? The cash machine warns you that the money's gone anyway. No
follow-up if the top-up fails.

Context is all:
phone number for the phone you are topping up
Oystercard number for the oyster you are topping up.
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Andrew

In article , (Andrew
Heenan) wrote:

wrote:
I can top up a mobile phone at a cash machine. They need to know
who I am to charge me but the phone I'm topping up may not be
registered at all and has no problem being topped up. Same with
Oyster cards,
They need to know who you are - and the phone number.
Or the Oyster card number.
No difference.
Er, obviously you have to give the Oyster card number, but why a phone
number? The cash machine warns you that the money's gone anyway. No
follow-up if the top-up fails.

Context is all:
phone number for the phone you are topping up
Oystercard number for the oyster you are topping up.

So the number is all you need in either case. QED.

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
So the number is all you need in either case. QED.

Not really; that was a side issue, not the main issue.

The main issue is security, yours and TfL's
You need to know that if your account has been defrauded, you can
demonstrate that it's not your card that's been topped up (at, least, not
one that's registered to you).

But what's your problem with registration?
Is it a civil liberties thing, or is there a substantive objection?
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, wrote:

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, wrote:

In article , (Andrew
Heenan) wrote:

And how you think an 'auto' system could conceivably function
*without* registration beats me!

Why does the system need to know more than which /card/ is being
topped up?

Because you have to give them your credit/debit card details, so
they can charge you money for the credit which is being topped up.
If they took paypal or something, then maybe they wouldn't have to
take your details, but they don't, so they do.

I can top up a mobile phone at a cash machine. They need to know who I
am to charge me but the phone I'm topping up may not be registered at
all and has no problem being topped up. Same with Oyster cards, surely?

You could do that. But since you have to enter your details to authorise
the card purchase, what's the point? If the secret police are out to get,
you, that's enough.

tom

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