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Something I was wondering the other day , when the extension to Heathrow
airport was built why didn't they re-extend the district line to Hounslow
and beyond and divert the piccadilly to ealing? Why? Because district trains
are much bigger and so they would have been much more room for passengers
and their luggage rather than the pokey little tube trains on the picc.

Was there a good reason for not doing this given the benefits it would have
entailed for passengers with luggage?

B2003

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Something I was wondering the other day , when the extension to Heathrow
airport was built why didn't they re-extend the district line to Hounslow
and beyond and divert the piccadilly to ealing? Why? Because district

trains
are much bigger and so they would have been much more room for passengers
and their luggage rather than the pokey little tube trains on the picc.

Was there a good reason for not doing this given the benefits it would

have
entailed for passengers with luggage?

B2003


There was some discussion by LUL about extending the District Line to
rayners and Uxbridge, leaving the Picc Line to run the Ealing Bdy and
heathrow lines. I dont know what became of this idea!
But then it is LUL!!


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Something I was wondering the other day , when the extension to Heathrow
airport was built why didn't they re-extend the district line to Hounslow
and beyond and divert the piccadilly to ealing? Why? Because district trains
are much bigger and so they would have been much more room for passengers
and their luggage rather than the pokey little tube trains on the picc.

Was there a good reason for not doing this given the benefits it would have
entailed for passengers with luggage?


I imagine that the reason may have been that the Piccadilly goes more
directly to traditional "hotels zones" - Knightsbridge, Hyde Park Corner
(for Park Lane), Green Park (for Piccadilly) and Russell Square.

While the District serves Victoria (and also, like the Picc, Earls
Court) the cheaper hotels in these areas were seldom used by tourists
arriving by air in the days when the Heathrow extension was built -
their popularity has largely been a phenomenon of the much cheaper
flights of the last decade.

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Paul Terry


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Surely the main reason for not doing this was that the frequency of the
Ealing service on the District was so much less than the Piccadilly to
Hounslow. And you could not increase it without decreasing the Wimbledon or
Richmond services; not an option given the loadings on both branches,
particularly Wimbledon.
The Piccadilly had a much more frequent service to Hounslow and only that
frequency could cope with loadings to Heathrow.

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Something I was wondering the other day , when the extension to Heathrow
airport was built why didn't they re-extend the district line to Hounslow
and beyond and divert the piccadilly to ealing? Why? Because district

trains
are much bigger and so they would have been much more room for passengers
and their luggage rather than the pokey little tube trains on the picc.

Was there a good reason for not doing this given the benefits it would

have
entailed for passengers with luggage?

B2003



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Surely the main reason for not doing this was that the frequency of the
Ealing service on the District was so much less than the Piccadilly to
Hounslow. And you could not increase it without decreasing the Wimbledon or
Richmond services; not an option given the loadings on both branches,
particularly Wimbledon.
The Piccadilly had a much more frequent service to Hounslow and only that
frequency could cope with loadings to Heathrow.

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Something I was wondering the other day , when the extension to Heathrow
airport was built why didn't they re-extend the district line to Hounslow
and beyond and divert the piccadilly to ealing? Why? Because district

trains
are much bigger and so they would have been much more room for passengers
and their luggage rather than the pokey little tube trains on the picc.

Was there a good reason for not doing this given the benefits it would

have
entailed for passengers with luggage?

B2003


The tunnels from Hounslow West to Heathrow were built using the
cut-and-cover method that was used on the district/met lines when they
were built, unusually. The piccadilly stock has specially built
luggage spaces. Also it is much quicker I find to central london. I
would guess you could find the feasability study for the extension
online or if you phoned up LU.
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The tunnels from Hounslow West to Heathrow were built using the
cut-and-cover method that was used on the district/met lines when they
were built, unusually.


There is some cut and cover tunnel, but much of the Heathrow extension is
deep-bored, including all of the line under the airport itself.
Cut-and-cover would hardly have been an option for a line that was tunneled
under an active and very busy runway, a number of taxiways, probably some
hangars and (presumably) Terminal 3.


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The tunnels from Hounslow West to Heathrow were built using the
cut-and-cover method that was used on the district/met lines when they
were built, unusually.


There is some cut and cover tunnel, but much of the Heathrow extension is
deep-bored, including all of the line under the airport itself.
Cut-and-cover would hardly have been an option for a line that was

tunneled
under an active and very busy runway, a number of taxiways, probably some
hangars and (presumably) Terminal 3.

Just because it was deep-bored doesn't mean it has to be small bore. In this
city there are deep level main line rail tunnels (for double deck stock) as
well as deep-bored road tollway tunnels (3 lanes each way).
Peter
Sydney


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