In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:23:23 -0800 (PST), Mr Thant wrote:

AIUI the new timetable changes the 7 tph H&C and 7 tph Circle into 6
tph each, meaning 12 tph departures from Hammersmith.

If so, the publicity is very deceptive. It touts increased Circle
reliability without mentioning any frequency decrease.

More bloody spin!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:26:26 -0000, "Basil Jet"
wrote:

How unreliable has the Circle been? Might the planned 6tph
actually be no less than has typically been achieved?

Very - 20-minute plus gaps and bunched trains are extremely common, so
an actual, regular 10-minute frequency, if they manage to achieve it,
will be a definite improvement.

Not my experience on the occasions when I have relied on it. OTOH the
departure indicators at Edgware Road are a nightmare so the less often I
have to change there the better.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 11 Nov, 07:57, wrote:
In article ,

(Neil Williams) wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:26:26 -0000, "Basil Jet"
wrote:

How unreliable has the Circle been? Might the planned 6tph
actually be no less than has typically been achieved?

Very - 20-minute plus gaps and bunched trains are extremely common, so
an actual, regular 10-minute frequency, if they manage to achieve it,
will be a definite improvement.

Not my experience on the occasions when I have relied on it. OTOH the
departure indicators at Edgware Road are a nightmare so the less often I
have to change there the better.

I agree with previous that the Circle Line is currently pretty much a
myth (at least when I actually need it).

But I can't see how reliability is going to improve with 12 tph trying
to terminate at Edgware Road, and keep to the right platform, while
crossing a through service of 12 tph on a flat junction.

asdf wrote:

Did they attempt to run a weekday peak service on any of the trial
weekends?

Nope. And on at least one of those weekends there were no Mets between
Harrow-on-the-Hill and Aldgate, and the service ended up bunching
together, so you'd get a "Circle", followed by a Hammersmith, then
nothing for 8 minutes.

Cheers,

Barry

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(MIG) wrote:

On 11 Nov, 01:41, wrote:
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(MIG) wrote:
On 10 Nov, 16:54, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mr Thant wrote:
The map in the leaflet has both the Thames and the
Hammersmith &
City Line:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/4074872504/

Here's the map at KXSP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjs/4089297930/

(I don't think any new poster network maps or map leaflets
are in
circulation yet)

AIUI the new timetable changes the 7 tph H&C and 7 tph
Circle into 6
tph each, meaning 12 tph departures from Hammersmith.

I think I've lost track of that aspect. Weren't there at one
time
supposed to be some slight changes to the Met and District to
maintain
numbers along the north and south sides of the common routes
as well?

Which reminds me of something that doesn't seem to have been
discussed
much. Is part of the real rationale for this to persuade pax
from the
Kings Cross area, heading for the south western extremities
of the
network, to stop using Earls Court or Gloucester Rd when
changing?
*Most publicity just dwells on the better service to
Hammersmith
H&C, without trying to explainhow that helps pax overall,
IYSWIM...

It still wouldn't make it a better option than the Piccadilly.

It has been a better option when I have luggage and want to
travel between
Putney and King's Cross! I can change same-platform with only the
East
Putney stairs to negotiate and no long detours to use lifts (as
at Earls
Court). All going 13 December unless I change twice and/or am
lucky at
Edgware Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Yes, of course, but the increased service on the Hammersmith line is
of no relevance to that journey.

I assumed that he was talking about journeys to Hammersmith or further
west, for which the Piccadilly would always be best, despite an
increased frequency for changing at Hammersmith. Probably less stairs
at Kings Cross and cross-platform interchanges at Barons Court onwards.

Indeed, but useless for the Wimbledon branch, as you say. That is the
busiest western branch of the District, I understand.

It's a bit much to have the cut spun as an improvement. Though very much
in the spirit of the times, one thought that public transport operators
were a bit less prone to it than some.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 08:23:23AM -0800, Mr Thant wrote:

The map in the leaflet has both the Thames and the Hammersmith & City
Line:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/4074872504/

Interesting, that shows both Hammersmith and Paddington as being one
station. Also, White City and Wood Lane are joined together like Bank
and Monument are.

Here's the map at KXSP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjs/4089297930/

That's quite confusing - it looks like there are two seperate yellow
lines.

--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

NANOG makes me want to unplug everything and hide under the bed
-- brian d foy

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 06:02:31PM -0600, wrote:

This would also appear to be because the Journey Planner thinks there will
still be a Circle Line service from king's Cross to High St Kensington on
14 December! Bloody useless!

There will be. It'll just take a long time, going the wrong way roudn
the circle.

--
David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age

THIS IS THE LANGUAGE POLICE
PUT DOWN YOUR THESAURUS
STEP AWAY FROM THE CLICHE

David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 08:23:23AM -0800, Mr Thant wrote:

The map in the leaflet has both the Thames and the Hammersmith & City
Line:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/4074872504/

Interesting, that shows both Hammersmith and Paddington as being one
station. Also, White City and Wood Lane are joined together like Bank
and Monument are.

Here's the map at KXSP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjs/4089297930/

That's quite confusing - it looks like there are two seperate yellow
lines.

Why does it even show the line from Edgware Road to Victoria? It doesn't
show the lines you can change to at other stations, so why show the line you
can change to at Edgware Road?

Incidentally, did the map in that location used to show the Circle to St
James Park or Westminster, i.e. has the recommended route to from KXSP to St
James Park changed from inner rail to outer rail as a result of the
introduced change at Edgware Road?

--
We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile.

"David Cantrell" wrote in message
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 08:23:23AM -0800, Mr Thant wrote:

Here's the map at KXSP:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjs/4089297930/

That's quite confusing - it looks like there are two seperate yellow
lines.

Personally, I always think that type of diagram should be the other way up,
ie 'you are here' should be at the bottom, with progress along the line
upwards.

Does anyone else agree?

Paul S

David Cantrell wrote:

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 06:02:31PM -0600,
wrote:

This would also appear to be because the Journey Planner thinks
there will still be a Circle Line service from king's Cross to High
St Kensington on 14 December! Bloody useless!

There will be. It'll just take a long time, going the wrong way roudn
the circle.

Or going via Hammersmith.