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July 4th 10, 03:20 PM
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#63
July 4th 10, 09:23 PM
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(tim....) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim....) wrote: "Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 19:44:28 on Sat, 3 Jul 2010, Paul Terry remarked: AIUI, from comments in u.t.l. by Colin Rosentheil and others, the costs don't fall equitably on local authorities at present - in particular, those that are popular holiday resorts or tourist destinations end up paying for a lot of "out of area" visitors. They are allegedly "not compensated enough" for those out-of-area visitors. It doesn't seem very difficult to tweak the formulae a little to take account of this[1], so the bad guys here are those who don't want to do that. I can't remember where it is but there is at least one council who quite happily admits to making a profit on the current deal Almost any council with few bus services. A local example is Fenland. I would have thought that was taking into account when working out the grant. It's the number of "non local" users that makes it go wrong. Mainly but not exclusively. Chesterfield has been utterly clobbered because it's the bus hub for its locality so loads of people from neighbouring districts change buses there and Chesterfield has to pay for their onward journeys. Fenland pays little because it has few bus services to carry its pensioners while Cambridge's bill is higher because there are far more buses here. However, South Cambs has to pay half the inwards park and ride journeys because some of the car parks are outside the City and in their district. The City has to pay all the return trips of course. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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#64
July 4th 10, 10:13 PM
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(Roland Perry) wrote: 18:29 on Sat, 3 Jul 2010, remarked: It appears that the funding will shift from District to County councils in 2011. That will smooth things out a bit but still needs a grant formula which relates more closely to actual expenditure. It's not going to help somewhere like Peterborough[1], which would presumably have the same problem as Cambridge does now. [1] Which as we all know is a unitary County. How short of its concessionary fares spend is the grant it receives? Not over £1 million as in Cambridge, I bet. Since most journeys are return, the outward journey will be charged to a district outside Cambridge and an equal amount for the return leg charged to Cambridge. Same for Peterborough I would have thought. -- Mike D |
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#65
July 5th 10, 08:58 AM
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#66
July 5th 10, 09:43 AM
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In article 01cb1bbb$4b96cf00$LocalHost@default, (Michael
R N Dolbear) wrote: wrote (Roland Perry) wrote: 18:29 on Sat, 3 Jul 2010, remarked: It appears that the funding will shift from District to County councils in 2011. That will smooth things out a bit but still needs a grant formula which relates more closely to actual expenditure. It's not going to help somewhere like Peterborough[1], which would presumably have the same problem as Cambridge does now. [1] Which as we all know is a unitary County. How short of its concessionary fares spend is the grant it receives? Not over £1 million as in Cambridge, I bet. Since most journeys are return, the outward journey will be charged to a district outside Cambridge and an equal amount for the return leg charged to Cambridge. Same for Peterborough I would have thought. Only where boundaries are crossed, I agree. But that wasn't my question anyway. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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#67
July 5th 10, 10:46 AM
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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 10:20:12 on Sun, 4 Jul 2010, remarked: It appears that the funding will shift from District to County councils in 2011. That will smooth things out a bit but still needs a grant formula which relates more closely to actual expenditure. It's not going to help somewhere like Peterborough[1], which would presumably have the same problem as Cambridge does now. [1] Which as we all know is a unitary County. How short of its concessionary fares spend is the grant it receives? Not over £1 million as in Cambridge, I bet. Peterborough is bigger, so maybe there are even more people travelling in to do their shopping. On the other hand maybe Peterborough county includes most of its suburbs, in a way that Cambridge doesn't. Your problem is presumably having so much residential so close, that's actually in Scambs. How many million tourists does Peterborough get each year? Get real! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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#68
July 5th 10, 12:02 PM
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on Mon, 5 Jul 2010, remarked: How many million tourists does Peterborough get each year? Get real! How many tourists arrive in Cambridge by twirly-pass? And when I was last in Cambridge it was difficult to spot many tourists over the age of 25, irrespective of how they'd arrived. -- Roland Perry |
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#69
July 5th 10, 03:27 PM
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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 05:46:42 on Mon, 5 Jul 2010, remarked: How many million tourists does Peterborough get each year? Get real! How many tourists arrive in Cambridge by twirly-pass? They use them when they are here! And when I was last in Cambridge it was difficult to spot many tourists over the age of 25, irrespective of how they'd arrived. Your blinkers are showing. Anyway, you still haven't said how many tourists there are in Peterborough. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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July 5th 10, 07:25 PM
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