d wrote:

And if they're not then how do they differ from Bank of England notes
which are legal tender all over the UK?

No, those are only legal tender in England & Wales.

So scotland technically doesn't have any legal tender notes then? Pull the
other one.

That is the case.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/bankn...ut/faqs.htm#16

http://www.royalmint.com/corporate/p...uidelines.aspx

On 11/08/2010 21:07, Roland Perry wrote:
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?

1506 wrote:

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?

Those are exactly the circumstances to which I referred earlier in
this thread. Whilst working in Edinburgh I took my spouse for a
weekend in London.

One evening we took a taxi from the Regent's Park area to Piccadilly.
I paid the cabby in Scottish notes. He was very unhappy but I had
nothing else with which to pay him. The guy had two choices, guess
which one he took!

He had a third - drive you to the nearest cash point and you could have got
some English notes. A lot of cabbies will accept this (and keep the meter
running while you do) as the best way to handle people who find themselves
short or in an awkward situation.

But if he were to take the fourth option then technically you would have had
an undischarged debt.

" wrote in news:TdE8o.107063
$X%4.89772@hurricane:

On 11/08/2010 21:07, Roland Perry wrote:
In message o7D8o.87903$pW4.52285@hurricane, at 20:47:32 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:

I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?


"Sorry mate. Can't buy beer with those - Scotch only" :-)

In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11
Aug 2010, " remarked:
I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?

He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept
those".
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11 Aug
2010, " remarked:
I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using several
Scottish one-pound notes?

He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept
those".

On the subject of training, is it just me, or has every bar person in the UK
lost the ability to add up/check the price of a drink as they pour it? old
git mode when I were a lad, working in a pub you would add the round as you
went along & inform the punter of the damage as you handed him/her the last
drink. Today, the process seems to be serve drinks then prod listlessly at
the till, sometimes asking the punter to remind them what they've just
served them, until enlightenment dawns and a sum of money is requested. And
then asks the sodding great queue that's formed "who's next?" then wonders
why some people get a bit upset! /old git mode
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change jealous to sad to reply.

In message
,
Mizter T writes

What I meant was that you have clearly outlined to everyone else on
the thread the whole situation w.r.t. 'legal tender', i.e. that it's a
very technical thing, and in day to day life it simply doesn't matter
most of the time - I was agreeing with you (or at least attempting to
do so!), and wondering what 'everyone else's' problem was, that's
all!

Ah, thanks! It seems to me that "legal tender" is up there with
"fine-toothed comb" as one of the great misunderstood phrases of the
English language.
--
Paul Terry

On 2010\08\12 09:01, Steve Dulieu wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message TdE8o.107063$X%4.89772@hurricane, at 22:02:43 on Wed, 11
Aug 2010, " remarked:
I wonder what would happen if somebody tried to pay for a pint with a
Scottish one-pound note.

The barman would probably say they were about £2 short.
Let me rephrase that: What if you tried to pay for your pint using
several Scottish one-pound notes?

He'd probably say "I'm not trained sufficiently to be able to accept
those".

On the subject of training, is it just me, or has every bar person in
the UK lost the ability to add up/check the price of a drink as they
pour it? old git mode when I were a lad, working in a pub you would
add the round as you went along & inform the punter of the damage as you
handed him/her the last drink. Today, the process seems to be serve
drinks then prod listlessly at the till, sometimes asking the punter to
remind them what they've just served them, until enlightenment dawns and
a sum of money is requested. And then asks the sodding great queue
that's formed "who's next?" then wonders why some people get a bit
upset! /old git mode

For stocktaking purposes, they might be required to enter a code for
each drink rather than just prices.

On 11 Aug, 17:05, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2010\08\11 15:15, Paul Terry wrote:

In message , Basil Jet
writes

On 2010\08\11 14:37, Mike Bristow wrote:
This isn't a problem, because legal tender is not an issue in
day-to-day life. I've never made a transaction for which legal
tender was necessary.

You always pay in advance in restaurants, hairdressers and taxis?

It doesn't matter whether Mike pays in advance or in arrears for such
services. Legal tender is only involved if there is a dispute that goes
to court.

If Mike then pays into court the exact amount due, in legal tender, he
cannot be successfully sued for the debt.

That is the only application of the term legal tender in the UK. Many
people assume it has some wider meaning, but it really doesn't.

So if someone uses a taxi in England and offers nothing but Scottish
money, are they committing an offence, and if so, what is the legal term
to describe the things that can be used to settle the debt to the taxi
driver, namely English notes and British coins?

The situation is quite simple. If you wish to pay for something in
advance, you can come to any agreement with the vendor you like. For
example, many vendors refuse to accept Bank of England £50 notes. You
could pay with a big pile of penny sweets if the vendor chooses to
accept them.

If you have a debt, you can settle it with any form of payment
provided the creditor is prepared to accept it, including the
aforementionned penny sweets. The notion of legal tender has no
bearing on this.

The main reason legal tender law exists is to stop creditors imposing
(contracutally agreed) extra fees for late payment by refusing to
accept payment offered. The best (real) example of this was the
protest some Oxford students made when tuition fees were first
introduced in the late '90s. Having refused to pay them for a couple
of terms, the college said the students would be sent down (expelled)
if they did not pay up. The students all turned up at the college
office with a wheel barrow full of 1000 £1 coins each. As the £1 coin
is legal tender for any amount (throughout the UK), because they had
offered legal tender in settlement of the debt, it would have been
unlawful of the college to send them down (even if the college had
refused to accept the wheelbarrow loads of £1 coins, though in this
case they accepted the payment).

Robin

On Aug 12, 10:37*am, Paul Terry wrote:

In message
,
Mizter T writes

What I meant was that you have clearly outlined to everyone else on
the thread the whole situation w.r.t. 'legal tender', i.e. that it's a
very technical thing, and in day to day life it simply doesn't matter
most of the time - I was agreeing with you (or at least attempting to
do so!), and wondering what 'everyone else's' problem was, that's
all!

Ah, thanks! It seems to me that "legal tender" is up there with
"fine-toothed comb" as one of the great misunderstood phrases of the
English language.

Indeed. I try and avoid using phrases I don't properly understand, but
'legal tender' is one where I was aware of the complexities thereof
and so avoid using for that reason.

(I think sometimes it gets all confuddled with the Coinage Act 1971
rules which define legal tender vis-a-vis making payments with coins -
e.g. 20p and 50p coins can make a payment of up to £10 - but again,
when you're paying off your credit card bill or overdraft with bags of
coins the bank is only concerned about getting the money, though the
cashier might be a bit miffed about the queue forming behind you! [1])

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[1] That said, yes I know banks do have rules about how much coinage
they handle, but they're not going to start repossessing your home if
you can pay what's required, even if that is £50 in 50p's.