On 08/08/2010 21:58, wrote:
On Aug 8, 5:22 pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
wrote
On Aug 7, 2:00 pm, wrote:

We see a lot of Scottish money, here in the Lakes,
but I'm fairly sure it isn't legal tender Clive

Legal tender is what you can't refuse to take if you
are offered it by someone who owes you money.
That means that cheques, credit cards and debit
cards are not legal tender - you have the option
to take them if you choose.
So when anybody refuses to accept a Scottish note,
it is solely because of their own choice. The "I can't
take it because it is not legal tender" routine is nonsense.

Nope, it's shorthand "when I try to use it, someone else may refuse to
accept it as they are entitled to do".
Money that may not be accepted is a genuine inconvenience - I recall
solving the problem for Guernsey notes and coin by paying it over
NatWest's bank counter for the credit of my UK bank account the day my
holiday ended and drawing Bank of England notes from the appropriate
cash machine at the same time. Mike D

Anybody is certainly fully entitled to refuse Scottish, Northern
Irish,
Manx or Channel Islands notes, as are they entitled to refuse
payment by cheque, Debit Card or Credit Card, as all of them
are equally not legal tender. For the same reason Bank of
England notes could be refused for payments made outside
England and Wales. What would be more honest would be
to say that they are refusing payment of a type with which
they are not familiar, or not trained to accept.


I think that, technically, they should not have a problem accepting
Scottish and Northern Irish notes as they are all in the United Kingdom.
But they are not under obligation to accept notes and coins from the
Channel Island or from the Isle of Man as they are not part of the
United Kingdom.

On 06/08/2010 21:12, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 3, 9:34 am, Mizter wrote:

A belated thank you for this information - ultimately not at all
surprised to find that Euro coinage is not accepted, only Euro notes -
I imagine the cost and hassle factor basically rules it out, and
acceptance of foreign coinage just isn't a done thing.

There are London businesses that will not even accept Scottish
currency, although I suspect that they a legally obliged to do so.
There have been times when I have refused to pay with anything else,
having no English money about my person.

When in England and Wales, I just stick with paying with English notes.
Any notes received from the Northern Ireland or Scotland I simply
deposit into a separate account for savings.

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.

In message B3H7o.57309$lF5.51609@hurricane, "
writes
I think that, technically, they should not have a problem accepting
Scottish and Northern Irish notes as they are all in the United
Kingdom. But they are not under obligation to accept notes and coins
from the Channel Island or from the Isle of Man as they are not part of
the United Kingdom.
Here (Cumbria) Scottish notes are recognised and accepted, but in my
home town of Bristol, it can be very different.
--
Clive

wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in Scotland,
Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.

No idea about tills but there are reports of Scottish retailers declining
Northern Irish notes, which does make the Scottish complaint seem a little
hollow. A while back a Scottish MP brought a Private Members' Bill that
sought to make it a requirement for all retailers throughout the UK who
accept English notes to accept Scottish notes on the same basis (carefully
structured to avoid the issue of legal tender); the bill did not cover
Northern Irish notes although amendments would have been brought on that.

On 2010\08\09 03:52, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in Scotland,
Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.


I would imagine the tills are uniform across the country for cost
reasons, which is why the London ones accept Scottish money.

No idea about tills but there are reports of Scottish retailers declining
Northern Irish notes, which does make the Scottish complaint seem a little
hollow.


A while back a Scottish MP brought a Private Members' Bill that
sought to make it a requirement for all retailers throughout the UK who
accept English notes to accept Scottish notes on the same basis (carefully
structured to avoid the issue of legal tender);

If the Scots would just start using English money, wouldn't that remove
any problem for the Scots without legislation? It seems like his aim is
not to solve problems for the Scots but to force English people to
accept as money portraits of people famous for nothing but killing the
English. The English, of course, would never stoop to putting pictures
of someone famous for killing Scots on our money.

On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 12:30:49AM +0100, wrote:

When in England and Wales, I just stick with paying with English notes.
Any notes received from the Northern Ireland or Scotland I simply
deposit into a separate account for savings.

I spend Scottish notes like I would Bank of England notes. In my
experience they Just Work.

--
David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information

You are so cynical. And by "cynical", of course, I mean "correct".
-- Kurt Starsinic

Basil Jet wrote:

A while back a Scottish MP brought a Private Members' Bill that
sought to make it a requirement for all retailers throughout the UK who
accept English notes to accept Scottish notes on the same basis
(carefully
structured to avoid the issue of legal tender);

If the Scots would just start using English money, wouldn't that remove
any problem for the Scots without legislation? It seems like his aim is
not to solve problems for the Scots but to force English people to accept
as money portraits of people famous for nothing but killing the English.
The English, of course, would never stoop to putting pictures of someone
famous for killing Scots on our money.

The Scots do use English money though - certainly in Edinburgh I've often
had English fivers in my change and never had a problem with any English
note offered.

I presume you mean the Scottish banks dropping their issuing of notes but
this is a different matter and it's not the Scottish banks who have the
problems (apart from the inconvenience of people in mainly border branches
queueing up to "change" their money into English notes). Whenever I've used
a cash machine in Scotland or Northern Ireland I have never been offered a
choice of banknotes; nor for that matter have I been given one for my change
in shops. People find that when they leave Scotland or Northern Ireland the
only cash notes they have are Scottish or Northern Irish notes because that
is all they can obtain; they then arrive in England and either:

* get into arguments when purchasing small amounts, usually things like
refreshments and food on the final stage of the journey home or after
arriving, or petrol when driving down or getting taxies to their door
* have to go through the hassle of paying their Scottish or Northern Irish
notes into the bank (not helped by most banks having inconvenient opening
hours and machines that either aren't accessible out of hours and/or won't
recognise the notes) only to take out the same amount in English notes.

Not everybody has branches of their bank conveniently close and open at
accessible times - my nearest branch doesn't open Saturdays and has no out
of hours deposit service beyond dropping an envelope into the letterbox. The
next nearest branch frequently locks its lobby & letterbox, and has machines
that won't recognise the notes. My workplace doesn't have a branch of my
bank in the immediate vicinity; whilst I could get a bus down to the nearest
one to pay in, I'm not confident I could get there, get through the
cashier's till and then get back within the half hour I get for lunch (which
sometimes has to be broken up simply because of fixed timings).

Working on university campuses I've often seen particular problems caused by
conferences in both directions as many attendees are postgraduate
researchers on particularly tight budgets or cashflow shortfalls who can't
keep taking cash out of their accounts if they're not spending what they
already have, compounded by the cash machines running out (the number of
machines on QMUL's campus has plummeted in recent years and most of the
machines are now inside outlets not open all the time; at least we have some
just off the campus to go to).

wrote:
On 09/08/2010 01:05, Basil Jet wrote:

Tescos self-serve tills in London accept Scottish money, incidentally.

And I'm sure that self-serve tills will accept English notes in
Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

I wonder if those same tills will accept Northern Irish notes outside of
Northern Ireland, however.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 'English money', it is UK money.

--
Tony Dragon