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So what's going wrong with the Jubilee line?
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So what's going wrong with the Jubilee line?
On 22 Apr 2011 19:18:37 +0100 (BST)
Theo Markettos wrote: I had a wander down it this afternoon. The concrete beam sides have small gullies (about 1" across and deep) across the top surface, about 2 or 3 per beam. There's already what looks like freeze-thaw weathering, to the extent that pretty much every gully has a crack leading down, that's the height of the beam side (about 8"). It may be this is a design 'feature', but it doesn't bode well. These beams were only laid last year. A few look like they've been bodge-patched with cement. In other news, the busway has finally been signed off by the contractor. Only 2.5 years late... http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...er-21042011.ht Sounds like its turning out to be an entire herd of white elephants. I'm glad its not me paying council tax up there. I wonder if the law should get involved at some point over this given how much less re-opening the railway would have cost and how much more useful it would have been. Something smells bad to me. B2003 |
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So what's going wrong with the Jubilee line?
In message , at 09:40:58 on Sat, 23 Apr
2011, d remarked: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...er-21042011.ht Sounds like its turning out to be an entire herd of white elephants. I'm glad its not me paying council tax up there. The County Council has always insisted that the line won't cost council tax payers anything. If it turns out that it does, then that'll be a quite separate issue. I wonder if the law should get involved at some point over this given how much less re-opening the railway would have cost and how much more useful it would have been. The sort of problems involved in making the route fit for a bus would have applied even more so for a train. There's no chance the route could have been used for a train instead at anything like this price. Something smells bad to me. It's a fairly typical set of civil engineering over-runs, unexpected glitches, and arguments about the specification. A railway would also have needed fancy measures to be built over gas main, a new viaduct over the river (and suitable drainage), a big new P&R car park. It doesn't make sense, for example, to imagine that a railway station car park would have had any different issues to the bus stop. -- Roland Perry |
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So what's going wrong with the Jubilee line?
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:59:10 +0100
Roland Perry wrote: I wonder if the law should get involved at some point over this given how much less re-opening the railway would have cost and how much more useful it would have been. The sort of problems involved in making the route fit for a bus would have applied even more so for a train. There's no chance the route could have been used for a train instead at anything like this price. Umm, you are apparently unaware that almost all of the route actually was an old mothballed railway line with most of the track and stations still in situ up until the point that they ripped it up to build this busway. B2003 |
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Perry) wrote: In message , at 07:14:16 on Sat, 23 Apr 2011, remarked: I am perfectly aware of that. What you seem unaware of, however, is what a poor state it was in ("mothballed" is a bit optimistic), and how much work was required on ancillary aspects. I don't think any of the stations were re-openable, for example, all the level crossings were missing, and several large items like a viaduct over the river were beyond repair. Unless you can some to terms with that, you'll never understand why reopening as a railway would have been very costly. While I agree with your description of the state of the old railway, are you aware of rail industry estimates of railway restoration costs published by Castiron which contract your last sentence? Oops! s/contract/contradict/ I'm not aware of any estimates that took account of all the issues that had to be overcome. I doubt they covered the Trumpington cutting at all, for example. I don't know to what extent the Castiron estimates included building the P&R sites and other ancillary stuff. It was a railway reopening so maybe the park and ride car parks were not included. They aren't very expensive, though. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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