Do the platforms at Baker St. which are used by Met trains heading to/
from Aldgate ever get used for trains which terminate at Baker St.?
Are all the Met platforms at Baker St. used fairly intensively or is
there capacity for a train to be stabled out of use when defective or
as a stand-by?
Do trains stick to Aldgate or "non-Aldgate" services for most of the
day or do they interwork between the two?
What determines which diagrams will be allocated "A Stock" and which
"S Stock"?
Does the Chesham branch work better as a "through" service or should
it have been left as a shuttle?

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gordon

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Do the platforms at Baker St. which are used by Met trains heading to/
from Aldgate ever get used for trains which terminate at Baker St.?
Are all the Met platforms at Baker St. used fairly intensively or is
there capacity for a train to be stabled out of use when defective or
as a stand-by?
Do trains stick to Aldgate or "non-Aldgate" services for most of the
day or do they interwork between the two?
What determines which diagrams will be allocated "A Stock" and which
"S Stock"?
Does the Chesham branch work better as a "through" service or should
it have been left as a shuttle?

--
gordon
When the Aldgate service was peak hours only in T stock days the through
platforms were certainly used for the off peak terrminators.The station
could not have coped otherwise.
Don Davis

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Do the platforms at Baker St. which are used by Met trains heading to/
from Aldgate ever get used for trains which terminate at Baker St.?
Are all the Met platforms at Baker St. used fairly intensively or is
there capacity for a train to be stabled out of use when defective or
as a stand-by?
Do trains stick to Aldgate or "non-Aldgate" services for most of the
day or do they interwork between the two?
What determines which diagrams will be allocated "A Stock" and which
"S Stock"?
Does the Chesham branch work better as a "through" service or should
it have been left as a shuttle?

When the Aldgate service was peak hours only in T stock days the through
platforms were certainly used for the off peak terrminators.The station
could not have coped otherwise.

Not just T stock days. At least into the 1970s the entire Met Main Line
service (Uxbridge, Watford and Amersham) terminated at Baker Street off-peak
and weekends, using all four main line platforms at Baker Street.

The decision has been taken that the Met stock will all be S8 when it's all
been delivered. As this is too long for the Chalfont bay it will no longer
be possible to run the Chesham service as a shuttle. If the Croxley Link
gets built there may be a case for operating say a Chesham to Watford
Junction service.

Peter

On Oct 15, 8:36*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
The decision has been taken that the Met stock will all be S8 when it's all
been delivered. As this is too long for the Chalfont bay it will no longer
be possible to run the Chesham service as a shuttle. If the Croxley Link
gets built there may be a case for operating say a Chesham to Watford
Junction service.

I completely understand and agree with the decision to have a uniform
S8 fleet...but I still don't buy the reasoning that it's more cost
effective to complicate the service pattern, reduce the service to
Amersham, pay for decommissioning the bay platform, and remove the 3-
track section than to move the set of points closest to the bay and
extend a concrete platform.

....here's hoping for the Croxley Link though...

Not sure of the exact proportion, or where from, but yes several Met
services every hour terminate at Baker Street - it may be close to a
third.

Incidentally, those that continue to the city, certainly in the peak,
do not always get as far as Aldgate some terminate at Moorgate as
well.

The Met is also unusual in that, unlike other lines, there is a
concept of fast and slow trains the longer distant Met services being
non-stop over certain sections.

That's maybe where the different types of stock come in useful.

My observations at Aldgate, last I was there, showed the full set of
Met destinations being served so presumably it's a proportion of each
service that terminates at Baker Street.

I always find Baker St to be a bit of a pain, changing and traveling
onwards eastbound, trying to second guess which platform is going to
have the next service.

I just follow the crowd which seems to work.

"allantracy" wrote in message
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Not sure of the exact proportion, or where from, but yes several Met
services every hour terminate at Baker Street - it may be close to a
third.

But I think the question was whether or not any trains terminate in the
through roads, rather than in the bays. I suspect the through roads can be
used, but it only happens when there are problems, or planned closures
beyond Baker St.

Paul S

On Oct 15, 5:07*pm, allantracy wrote:
Not sure of the exact proportion, or where from, but yes several Met
services every hour terminate at Baker Street - it may be close to a
third.

Sure, but I'm presuming that they terminate in the dead-end platforms.
What I'm wondering is whether the two "through" platforms *can* be
used for terminating trains (e.g. if services were temporarily
suspended between Baker St. and Aldgate).

I always find Baker St to be a bit of a pain, changing and traveling
onwards eastbound, trying to second guess which platform is going to
have the next service.

Agreed. Paddington can also be a bit irksome. If you're not heading to/
from the mainline station but travelling from say King's Cross you've
the option of changing trains at Edgware Road and getting a convenient
exit at Pad or travelling on a through train which decants you at the
back of beyond in the main station.

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gordon

On Oct 15, 7:21*pm, " wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:07*pm, allantracy wrote:

Not sure of the exact proportion, or where from, but yes several Met
services every hour terminate at Baker Street - it may be close to a
third.

Sure, but I'm presuming that they terminate in the dead-end platforms.
What I'm wondering is whether the two "through" platforms *can* be
used for terminating trains (e.g. if services were temporarily
suspended between Baker St. and Aldgate).


Yes, seen that done, it may still happen when the service thins out in
the evening hours.

However, during the normal daytime timetable the through platforms
can't be left occupied long enough for a terminating train and the
bays are used instead.

On 15/10/11 19:21, wrote:
I always find Baker St to be a bit of a pain, changing and traveling
onwards eastbound, trying to second guess which platform is going to
have the next service.

Agreed. Paddington can also be a bit irksome. If you're not heading to/
from the mainline station but travelling from say King's Cross you've
the option of changing trains at Edgware Road and getting a convenient
exit at Pad or travelling on a through train which decants you at the
back of beyond in the main station.

Travelling between King's Cross/Euston and Paddington (and various other
routes too, especially since the introduction of the "teacup") would be
easier if District/Circle trains could terminate at Baker Street instead
of Edgware Road, which would enable connections with Metropolitan
trains. I guess the work needed at Baker Street to enable that would
never be worth it though. There's a similar situation at Aldgate/Tower Hill

Roger

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Do the platforms at Baker St. which are used by Met trains heading to/
from Aldgate ever get used for trains which terminate at Baker St.?
Are all the Met platforms at Baker St. used fairly intensively or is
there capacity for a train to be stabled out of use when defective or
as a stand-by?
Do trains stick to Aldgate or "non-Aldgate" services for most of the
day or do they interwork between the two?
What determines which diagrams will be allocated "A Stock" and which
"S Stock"?
Does the Chesham branch work better as a "through" service or should
it have been left as a shuttle?

--
gordon

The all-day through services to/from Chesham haven't made a big difference.
Four cars were sufficient and the change at Chalfont isn't (wasn't!)
complicated. One unfortunate outcome might be that it may now be more
difficult to make a refund claim!

It is ironic that a passenger survey was held over the "proposed" changeover
from the shuttle to through services when, once the decision to acquire the
S stock had been made, the decision was surely a fait acconpli.

PA