"Richard J." wrote in
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:26:15 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail
tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their
homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives
or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel?
If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are
likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels.

Actually the Crossrail tunnel from the Great Western main line to
Chiswick will be 17 - 18 metres below the surface, which I think is
about average for tube tunnels in London.

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the
Jubilee, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford
Stret/Holborn area. There is a vertical section through the central
part of the route at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090...genericpanels/
$FILE/c
entral+london+stations.pdf


any one spot a possible error in the typical station design?

In message , woutster
writes
any one spot a possible error in the typical station design?

The lifts are misnamed (street level to ticket hall, and ticket hall to
platform, are transposed).
--
Roland Perry

woutster wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in
:

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the
Jubilee, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford
Stret/Holborn area. There is a vertical section through the central
part of the route at

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090053AF4C/Files/genericpanels/$FILE/central+london+stations.pdf


any one spot a possible error in the typical station design?

They've got the two western lifts labelled the wrong way round, but that's
a presentation fault, not an error with the design.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote in
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woutster wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in
:

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the
Jubilee, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford
Stret/Holborn area. There is a vertical section through the central
part of the route at

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090...genericpanels/
$FILE/c
entral+london+stations.pdf


any one spot a possible error in the typical station design?

They've got the two western lifts labelled the wrong way round, but
that's a presentation fault, not an error with the design.


admitidly not an error in design, but still an issue that should have
been noticed before publication

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:01:57 +0000, John Ray wrote:

Terry Harper wrote:
Some long time ago, the Glass Manufacturers Federation had their offices in
Portland Place.
When in the basement, you could just about hear the Bakerloo line trains
passing below.
You can also hear them from certain parts of the basement of Shell
Centre (York Road, Waterloo). The building is constructed on a concrete
raft, which is said to come within a few feet of the Bakerloo tunnel.

There's an Indian restaurant at the junction of Harper Road and Newington
Causeway in a basement. We were there last week and you could feel and hear
the Northern Line trains pass by.

The food's very good, however, so don't let that put you off.
--
Chris Hansen | chrishansenhome at btinternet dot com

"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

A number of transport-related societies used to meet at the Fred Tallant
Hall in Drummond Street which runs parallel to and to the north of Euston
Road. The meeting rooms are on the first floor but trains could be heard and
felt quite distinctly but not obtrusively. I don't know whether they were
the tube line at Euston Square or the Circle Line.


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Richard J. wrote:
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

Staying overnight in a house in Southgate, some way from the underground
section of the tunnel (which runs under playing fields of the local
college), it is still possible to hear the trains rumble through if you
listen carefully enough late evening or early morning.

Given the location of the house, which was nearly on the High Street,
this is quite surprising.

J

james007 wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail
tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their
homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives
or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel?
If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

Staying overnight in a house in Southgate, some way from the
underground section of the tunnel (which runs under playing fields of
the local college), it is still possible to hear the trains rumble
through if you listen carefully enough late evening or early morning.

Given the location of the house, which was nearly on the High Street,
this is quite surprising.

You're probably only about 500 metres from one of the open sections of line
either side of the Southgate tunnel, in which case it's not surprising that
you can hear trains. That seems to me a more likely explanation than
ground-borne noise from the tunnel.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:

Staying overnight in a house in Southgate, some way from the
underground section of the tunnel (which runs under playing fields of
the local college), it is still possible to hear the trains rumble
through if you listen carefully enough late evening or early morning.
Given the location of the house, which was nearly on the High Street,
this is quite surprising.

You're probably only about 500 metres from one of the open sections of line
either side of the Southgate tunnel, in which case it's not surprising that
you can hear trains. That seems to me a more likely explanation than
ground-borne noise from the tunnel.

Yes, 500 metres from both ends, in fact.

However, the noise is a constant getting-louder-rumble,
getting-quieter-rumble. It's not what you'd expect to hear from an open
section (and I should know, because I live near one).

The tube is probably running about 250 metres away underground at this
location, judging by the map.

"Joe" wrote in message
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"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you
experience
any noise and vibration?

My sister used to live above the Picadilly Line near Manor House and you
could hear rumblings from the trains passing underneath
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I lived in a flat for a while which was directly above the Glasgow
Underground's Circle line, between Hillhead and Kelvinbridge. Every 30-60
seconds the floor/walls vibrated when a train was passing underneath. I got
used to it after a while and actually miss it now I'm back living in London.
I now live near Clapham Junction and hear overground trains go by every
30-60 seconds.....but it's not the same as living directly above a tube
line.