On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:27:44 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are
likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels.

Actually the Crossrail tunnel from the Great Western main line to Chiswick
will be 17 - 18 metres below the surface, which I think is about average
for tube tunnels in London.

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the Jubilee,
Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford Stret/Holborn area.
There is a vertical section through the central part of the route at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090053AF4C/Files/genericpanels/$FILE/central+london+stations.pdf

yes - I did say "likely to be", not definitely.

anyway - are you collating these comments as some sort of evidence to
mount a challenge to the Crossrail or to stop a challenge?
--
Paul C


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"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Richard J." wrote in message
...

If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

As a child I regularly visited the cinema in Turnpike Lane, and the
Piccadilly trains were quite audible. Tunnel, track and train construction
have improved since then, though, but you can still hear Victoria Line
trains while standing on the (overground) platforms at Drayton Park.

As an aside , what happened to the tunnels that went north from drayton
park to finsbury park? I know the bits near finsbury were reused but what
about the rest of them? Are the tunnels still there or were they filled in?

B2003

Any student from Queen Mary College from the 80s will possibly recall
the same as myself, that when you were taking exams in the 'Great
Hall', that every 2 minutes or so a tube train would rumble underneath
- District Line, I would hazard a guess. Put me off the first few
times, I can tell you !


Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in
March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd
centimetre.

We await with interest, living adjacent to the NLL on Caledonian Road,
have been subjected to vibration from heavy goods trains passing day
and night. Recently the track has been relayed and that is now
significantly reduced. However TBM Annie has now arrived for CTRL, and
engineering until 2007, then actual running of CTRL will be nearer
than NLL. WE wait with interest.
Chris

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:26:15 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in
March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd
centimetre.

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In message , Richard J.
writes
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running.

You could hear the District/Circle line very distinctly in the shops in
the now demolished row along the north of Victoria St. No doubt the new
Plaza they are building there will take account of this.
--
Roland Perry

Hmm, I wondered what that irritating noise was.

Thats funny, I thought it was Sara Cox.
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"Richard J." wrote in message
...
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

My sister used to live above the Picadilly Line near Manor House and you
could hear rumblings from the trains passing underneath
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Richard J. writes:
Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing
tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? ... have you had any cracks and
subsidence?

Of course, if you want to talk about subsidence, there was the little
matter of November 27, 1923. But, on the other hand, that was during
an attempt to reconstruct the tunnel (then over 30 years old) while
maintaining a train service through it.

See http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/northern.html for a brief account.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "These Millennia are like buses."
--Arwel Parry

My text in this article is in the public domain.

Paul Corfield wrote:

anyway - are you collating these comments as some sort of evidence to
mount a challenge to the Crossrail or to stop a challenge?

Crossrail have said that they will design the tunnels and tracks "with the
aim that noise levels in overlying buildings will be below the significance
criteria of 40 dB(LAmax,S)". That doesn't mean much to most people, and I
wanted to find out what was being experieced at present. No comments so
far from the JLE, which would be interesting as an example of a modern
line.

--
Richard J.
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Boltar wrote:

As an aside , what happened to the tunnels that went north from drayton
park to finsbury park? I know the bits near finsbury were reused but what
about the rest of them? Are the tunnels still there or were they filled in?

This should answer your question:

http://www.pendar.pwp.blueyonder.co....aytonPark.html