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On 13/12/2012 13:18, tim..... wrote:

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On 12/12/2012 22:37, tim..... wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20694027

The timescale of this was what I asked about just two weeks ago, and
voila it's here - not the full version by any means, as they'll be no
capping initially, and it'll be some while longer before other TfL
modes (Tube, DLR, LO etc) accept it, with no word yet on NR.

So

With only XX percentage of customers having a "contactless" bank card
(I
don't have one, and I have 3 bank cards in my wallet).

Only usable on the bus

and no capping even to the one day buss pass.

I predict a complete failure of this experiment

tim


I thought that banks were starting to redistribute cards with the
contactless feature, however.

ITYF that they started this about 2 years ago

I still don't have one (not by choice)

tim



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Call your bank and ask for one. I did, and they were more than happy to
issue me one.

I don't particularly want one

I'm making the point that they have not yet become so commonplace that the
subset of potential bus users who don't have an Oyster, will have one.

tim

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:54:32 -0000, "tim....."
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however not fixing the OSI "bug" does seem to be deliberate.

What "bug"? I am not aware of such a thing.

A genuine stop at an OIS that looks like transfer generating two unresolved
journeys causing them to receive two maximum charges and no capping

tim

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On 13/12/2012 16:54, tim..... wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:31:24 -0800 (PST), CJB
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And if the bus service is curtailed - that is cut short of its
destination - then when you board the bus behind you end up paying
twice. That's a scam that TfL have been running for years. It nets
them millions of pounds extra profit. Tourists are usually affected by
this the most. CJB.

As the bus network requires £400m subsidy a year (figure quoted by a
Mr Peter Hendy in a recent London Assembly session) I struggle with
the concept of TfL making "millions of pounds *extra* profit".

I would also be grateful if you could point to the data that underpins
your "interesting" [1] statement. You also need to be careful with
words like "scam" which suggests deliberate intent to rip people off.

however not fixing the OSI "bug" does seem to be deliberate.

Nonsense.

well they haven't fixed it in 5 years,

so ISTM that it must be deliberate choice not to.

tim

CJB writes:


That is not how they do it London. This is SUPPOSED to be the way, but
most times the drivers simply can't be bothered - they just put a pre-
recorded announcement on about a change of destination, flick the
lights on and off when they get there, and tell everyone to get off
and catch the next bus behind, So only knowing commuters ask for a
ticket, or simply talk their way into getting onto the next bus for
free. Everyone else incl. hapless tourists touch-in again and occur an
extra fare. As I said this scam rakes in millions of extra revenue for
TfL - all due to the laziness or indifference of the drivers. CJB
I have only ever come across a change of destination/going out of
service in London. Thats the only time the bus has been driven away.

Elsewhere the only time I have had to change buses is due to breakdown,
so when the relief/following bus arrives you just swap over.

In message , at 11:37:03 on Fri, 14 Dec
2012, Roland Perry remarked:

I've asked about this on another specialist list and will report back
if we can nail this down at all.

A question comes back: "when you swipe the Paywave card, does the
terminal on the bus give you a receipt"? (A small thermal printed
thing I suppose).

Oyster cards don't, as we all know.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:37:03 on Fri, 14 Dec
2012, Roland Perry remarked:

I've asked about this on another specialist list and will report back if
we can nail this down at all.

A question comes back: "when you swipe the Paywave card, does the terminal
on the bus give you a receipt"? (A small thermal printed
thing I suppose).

Oyster cards don't, as we all know.

OOI what do national twirly passes do on London buses?

Out in the sticks pax are given paper receipts, but I guess that's because
they aren't flat fare [1] and there needs to be some proof that the driver
has "claimed" the correct fare.

tim

[1] is there anywhere else in the county that runs a flat fare system across
their network?

Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 13:38:30 ...

Oh and while we're on this subject please tell me what fool proof
system Paris or Berlin use that prevents exactly the same problem
happening to tourists? Last time I used a bus in Paris I was turfed
off a bus that was short turned. No one told me what I or anyone else
had to do when the next bus turned up.

In Paris, the standard single-journey "t+" ticket is valid for a journey
made up of several bus segments, so presumably you are meant to validate
it again on the next bus, as you would do if you were changing routes.
I'm not sure whether the system would regard that as a breach of the
no-break-of-journey rule on a single route. I suspect it just checks
against the maximum 1.5 hour journey time.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On 14/12/2012 23:30, Paul Corfield wrote:

I don't mind criticism provided it is rooted somewhere in reality and
not drowning in unfounded hyperbole.

In that case, I don't think Usenet is the right place for you


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , at 19:33:07 on Fri, 14
Dec 2012, tim..... remarked:
[1] is there anywhere else in the county that runs a flat fare system
across their network?

Nottingham City Transport is almost flat-fare. £1.70 single and £3.40
for an all-day ticket.

But there are a few wrinkles, like group tickets that are also cheaper
during school holidays, and the single fare for a night bus is £3. And
they've recently invented an "Inner Zone" (approx 3 mile square) with a
£2 day-return.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 21:02:56 on
Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Paul Corfield remarked:
Official TfL words :-

"You won't get a receipt (or paper bus ticket) when you use a
contactless payment card; exactly the same as when you use an Oyster
card. Each bus journey made using your contactless card will be shown
as a separate transaction on your bank or card statement."

When they extend the system to the tube, will the bank statement have a
series of transactions for each trip - like an Oyster receipt? In other
words an entry charge, a refund on exit and all those other entries
generated when you do an OSI. And what about Pink validators, how will
they be shown on your bill?

Similar question about how your bill will present you information about
reaching the daily cap.
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Roland Perry