Dear all

Sorry to be a bore, but having been avoiding Bank and the Northern for
two or three years I need to go from Woolwich Arsenal to Euston
tomorrow morning, arriving at Euston by 10.10. My "tin leg" is not sure
which way to go

Journey Planner tells me that via Bank is the fastest and least changes
for pax with no mobility issues
But DirectEnquiries.com tells me there are 32+33 steps between the DLR
and Northern lines.

If I "can use escalators but not stairs" she wants me to go either via
Green Park or Stratford - StP, both of which seem long ways round (and
of course the Highspeed leg would cost full fare, since the Freedom
Pass is not valid and it would be before the Senior Railcard applies)

London Bridge is hard work in the rush hour when I use a walking stick
and carry bags.

Is there an alternative at Bank – involving fewer steps, not
necessarily step-free.
Or another, easier alternative route?

TIA

Kenw

kenw wrote:
Dear all

Sorry to be a bore, but having been avoiding Bank and the Northern for
two or three years I need to go from Woolwich Arsenal to Euston tomorrow
morning, arriving at Euston by 10.10. My "tin leg" is not sure which way to go

Journey Planner tells me that via Bank is the fastest and least changes
for pax with no mobility issues
But DirectEnquiries.com tells me there are 32+33 steps between the DLR and Northern lines.

If I "can use escalators but not stairs" she wants me to go either via
Green Park or Stratford - StP, both of which seem long ways round (and of
course the Highspeed leg would cost full fare, since the Freedom Pass is
not valid and it would be before the Senior Railcard applies)

London Bridge is hard work in the rush hour when I use a walking stick and carry bags.

Is there an alternative at Bank – involving fewer steps, not necessarily step-free.
Or another, easier alternative route?

When I look on a Journey Planner, it seems to be just as quick to change at
Green Park as at Bank, so that's probably the best option. Obviously your
Freedom Pass will apply for the whole journey.

For example, if you leave Woolwich Arsenal at 9:13, you get to Euston at
9:58 via Canning Town and Green Park, or 9:59 via Bank. This is with the
"slow walking" option set.

On 21/10/2013 08:02, kenw wrote:
Dear all

Sorry to be a bore, but having been avoiding Bank and the Northern for
two or three years I need to go from Woolwich Arsenal to Euston tomorrow
morning, arriving at Euston by 10.10. My "tin leg" is not sure which way
to go

Journey Planner tells me that via Bank is the fastest and least changes
for pax with no mobility issues
But DirectEnquiries.com tells me there are 32+33 steps between the DLR
and Northern lines.

Is there an alternative at Bank – involving fewer steps, not necessarily
step-free.
Or another, easier alternative route?

How many is "too many" in steps terms?

The standard route from the DLR to the Northern Line is from the first
door past the divide in the first unit of the DLR, diagonally out left,
turn left down the corridor, up the escalator, do a hairpin turn right
back on yourself and down about 20 steps to the north end of the
Northern Line platforms.

I think the escalator can be bypassed via the lift if it's working.

I *think* it is suggesting that you take the steps up from the eastern
end (who knows if it really is, but it's where the front of the train
leaving Bank is) of the DLR platforms which end up mid-platform on the
Northern Line. These are, I think, meant for the other interchange only
- I certainly rarely encounter people going up them (DLR-Northern) but
lots going down (Northern-DLR)

On Monday, October 21, 2013 8:41:25 AM UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:

I *think* it is suggesting that you take the steps up from the eastern
end (who knows if it really is, but it's where the front of the train
leaving Bank is) of the DLR platforms which end up mid-platform on the
Northern Line. These are, I think, meant for the other interchange only
- I certainly rarely encounter people going up them (DLR-Northern) but
lots going down (Northern-DLR)

It's heavily used in both directions at morning and evening peaks.

Ganesh

On 01/11/2013 21:39, wrote:
On Monday, October 21, 2013 8:41:25 AM UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:

I *think* it is suggesting that you take the steps up from the eastern
end (who knows if it really is, but it's where the front of the train
leaving Bank is) of the DLR platforms which end up mid-platform on the
Northern Line. These are, I think, meant for the other interchange only
- I certainly rarely encounter people going up them (DLR-Northern) but
lots going down (Northern-DLR)

It's heavily used in both directions at morning and evening peaks.

Doesn't make it the best or recommended route.

Plenty of people in Bank station during the peaks follow cretinous
routes to try and accelerate their own journeys regardless of whether it
interrupts other flows and inconveniences other customers

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:59:17 PM UTC, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/11/2013 21:39, wrote:

On Monday, October 21, 2013 8:41:25 AM UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:



I *think* it is suggesting that you take the steps up from the eastern
end (who knows if it really is, but it's where the front of the train
leaving Bank is) of the DLR platforms which end up mid-platform on the
Northern Line. These are, I think, meant for the other interchange only
- I certainly rarely encounter people going up them (DLR-Northern) but
lots going down (Northern-DLR)

It's heavily used in both directions at morning and evening peaks.

Doesn't make it the best or recommended route.



Plenty of people in Bank station during the peaks follow cretinous
routes to try and accelerate their own journeys regardless of whether it
interrupts other flows and inconveniences other customers

It's the most direct option, and it doesn't take up capacity
on the escalators at the other end that go up to the exit and
the Central Line.

My usual backup route is to go via Monument (underground) which is
pretty circuitous but not usually too busy.

Ganesh

On 02/11/2013 18:28, wrote:
On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:59:17 PM UTC, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 01/11/2013 21:39, wrote:

On Monday, October 21, 2013 8:41:25 AM UTC+1, Someone Somewhere wrote:



I *think* it is suggesting that you take the steps up from the eastern
end (who knows if it really is, but it's where the front of the train
leaving Bank is) of the DLR platforms which end up mid-platform on the
Northern Line. These are, I think, meant for the other interchange only
- I certainly rarely encounter people going up them (DLR-Northern) but
lots going down (Northern-DLR)

It's heavily used in both directions at morning and evening peaks.

Doesn't make it the best or recommended route.



Plenty of people in Bank station during the peaks follow cretinous
routes to try and accelerate their own journeys regardless of whether it
interrupts other flows and inconveniences other customers

It's the most direct option, and it doesn't take up capacity
on the escalators at the other end that go up to the exit and
the Central Line.

My usual backup route is to go via Monument (underground) which is
pretty circuitous but not usually too busy.

Ganesh


Are there any plans, BTW, to carry out any expansion work at Holborn
station, on the Central Line? I notice that there is only one small exit
at the westbound platform, which creates quite a bottleneck,
particularly during peak hours.

I wonder if LUL would ever consider reactivating British Museum as one
method of alleviating crowds at Holborn?

Dear all

Thanks much to all.

I think the "escalator hairpin" wins

My neighbour who commutes to Angel finally responded to a weekend email
and has just confirmed that this is within my limited capability – he
has seen me using both local buses and DLR.

Ken

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:06:43 +0100, kenw wrote:

Dear all

Thanks much to all.

I think the "escalator hairpin" wins

My neighbour who commutes to Angel finally responded to a weekend email
and has just confirmed that this is within my limited capability – he
has seen me using both local buses and DLR.

So how did the journey work out?

On 2013-10-22 11:09:24 +0000, Recliner said:

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:06:43 +0100, kenw wrote:

Dear all

Thanks much to all.

I think the "escalator hairpin" wins

My neighbour who commutes to Angel finally responded to a weekend email
and has just confirmed that this is within my limited capability – he
has seen me using both local buses and DLR.

So how did the journey work out?

Bank's escalator and hairpin is OK for those without too much luggage
- and even better is using the lift rather than the escalator.

On the return I had an extra bag, and mis-timed my arrival to the
evening rush-hour, which is not recommended.

I think next time I will try Stratford Intl - StP and take the bus
rather than trek along Euston Road

But thanks to everyone for the advice and suggestions

Ken