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LID (phil88) wrote:

there. I will let my sister choose, as she is travelling, not me.

To Colin Rosenstiel, who wrote:

"Croydon's a big place. Whereabouts there?"

As you can see there is an occasional problem with my newsfeed which
truncates posts by a few people, including apparently you.

I only saw part of your original post when I replied and of your latest
comment (see above which is all that reached me).

I later saw your original post whole when quoted by someone whose feed is
not truncated.

I am at a loss why this truncation happens. Was your post in HTML not plain
text?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Recliner wrote:
PS
There is a useful guide to where to avoiding steps at
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downlo...tube-guide.pdf
for wimps like me who no longer fancy lugging c.50kg up and down
stairs

You can tell the journey planner to avoid routes with steps

Yes, although that is AIUI "all or nothing" so, for example, will rule
out routes which involve even just a few steps on the way from street to
platform - and indeed rule out stations with ramps which suitcases can
be wheeled up.
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

"Robin" wrote:
Recliner wrote:
PS
There is a useful guide to where to avoiding steps at
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downlo...tube-guide.pdf
for wimps like me who no longer fancy lugging c.50kg up and down
stairs

You can tell the journey planner to avoid routes with steps

Yes, although that is AIUI "all or nothing" so, for example, will rule
out routes which involve even just a few steps on the way from street to
platform - and indeed rule out stations with ramps which suitcases can
be wheeled up.

Yes, it would better if it had two options: "no steps" and "minimise
steps".

"phil88" wrote in message
news

1] Tube: Piccadilly Circus to Heathrow. Also, why does everything on the
internet say depart from Piccadilly Circus for Heathrow? They'd be
arriving at Victoria Station from East Croydon, so getting the Tube from
there to South Kensington would get them on the route, surely?
Yes - Barons Court or Hammersmith offer the easiest interchange with the
Picadilly Line. You could avoid a nasty change at Vistoria by going via
Blackfriars instead; this should be a step-free interchange.


2] The X26 express bus from Whitgift Centre. How reliable is this? Does
it get packed? Does anybody know the typical prices for one way: Croydon
to Heathrow?

3] Tube from Victoria then train from Paddington. This sounds to me the
most circuitous route, but I could be wrong. Possibly the most expensive
too?
Certainly expensive. If you choose this route you may find a 36 or 436 bus
between Vistoria and Paddington easier than the tube.

--
DAS

On 13/06/2015 20:03, phil88 wrote:

2] The X26 express bus from Whitgift Centre. How reliable is this? Does
it get packed? Does anybody know the typical prices for one way: Croydon
to Heathrow?

I have had it not turn up on me in the past, so leave lots of time and
have a back-up option in case the bus is cancelled. But it will be the
simplest option, if a somewhat tedious[1] journey.

It is just a normal single bus fare, whatever that is these days. In the
context of getting a flight from Heathrow it will be financial
background noise. You would be getting on at the start of the journey,
so would be sure to get a seat. You might need to check where it goes
from, as West Croydon bus station is currently closed for rebuilding.

[1] Although with the best will in the world, Croydon to Heathrow by any
mode is never going to be "waking up at Sirkeci to catch the steamer for
Haydarpasa" or "watching bears from the window of The Canadian" :-)

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 13/06/2015 23:49, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote

Which route would you recommend for speed and/or cheapest tickets?

The TFL journey planner is very reliable for this sort of query, if
what you want is fastest/easiest, rather than cheapest.

The SE Travel Planner is less inclined to order you to cross a dual
carriageway with no light controlled crossing.

http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk..._TRIP_REQUEST2


Where does that happen?

On 13/06/2015 22:43, Clank wrote:

phil88 wrote:
Hello,

My sister and her 16-year-old daughter, both from Newcastle, are
stopping over briefly at mine in Croydon before departing for Heathrow -
their plane leaves at 12:30pm on Tuesday 16th June 2015 from Terminal 5,
and they need to arrive 2 hours beforehand. Not being Londoners, they
don't have any relevant travel passes.

Which route would you recommend for speed and/or cheapest tickets?

1] Tube: Piccadilly Circus to Heathrow. Also, why does everything on the
internet say depart from Piccadilly Circus for Heathrow? They'd be
arriving at Victoria Station from East Croydon, so getting the Tube from
there to South Kensington would get them on the route, surely?

2] The X26 express bus from Whitgift Centre. How reliable is this? Does
it get packed? Does anybody know the typical prices for one way: Croydon
to Heathrow?

3] Tube from Victoria then train from Paddington. This sounds to me the
most circuitous route, but I could be wrong. Possibly the most expensive
too?

The bus is fine for getting from eafrow to Croydon, but it's a brave man
who relies on a bus to get them TO the flight on time...

I've taken night buses (or crack of dawn buses) as part of a journey to
get to an airport several times without a problem. I've taken coaches at
a similar time to get to Stansted and Luton for horror-o-clock
departures. But yes, this isn't a horror-o-clock departure!


East Croydon/Victoria/Oxford Circus/Paddington is actually pretty easy
because of the cross-platform interchange between Vic and Bakerloo at OC,
and avoids the horror of the Picc.

The Piccadilly is alright.


Alternatively, East Croydon/Victoria/Hammersmith/Piccadilly Line. Much
easier (cross platform) interchange at Hammersmith than South Ken.

Or change at Barons Court for the same effect - a less busy station, and
more interesting in my reckoning.

Mizter T wrote:
On 13/06/2015 22:43, Clank wrote:

phil88 wrote:
Hello,

My sister and her 16-year-old daughter, both from Newcastle, are
stopping over briefly at mine in Croydon before departing for Heathrow -
their plane leaves at 12:30pm on Tuesday 16th June 2015 from Terminal 5,
and they need to arrive 2 hours beforehand. Not being Londoners, they
don't have any relevant travel passes.

Which route would you recommend for speed and/or cheapest tickets?

1] Tube: Piccadilly Circus to Heathrow. Also, why does everything on the
internet say depart from Piccadilly Circus for Heathrow? They'd be
arriving at Victoria Station from East Croydon, so getting the Tube from
there to South Kensington would get them on the route, surely?

2] The X26 express bus from Whitgift Centre. How reliable is this? Does
it get packed? Does anybody know the typical prices for one way: Croydon
to Heathrow?

3] Tube from Victoria then train from Paddington. This sounds to me the
most circuitous route, but I could be wrong. Possibly the most expensive
too?

The bus is fine for getting from eafrow to Croydon, but it's a brave man
who relies on a bus to get them TO the flight on time...

I've taken night buses (or crack of dawn buses) as part of a journey to
get to an airport several times without a problem. I've taken coaches at
a similar time to get to Stansted and Luton for horror-o-clock
departures. But yes, this isn't a horror-o-clock departure!


East Croydon/Victoria/Oxford Circus/Paddington is actually pretty easy
because of the cross-platform interchange between Vic and Bakerloo at OC,
and avoids the horror of the Picc.

The Piccadilly is alright.


Alternatively, East Croydon/Victoria/Hammersmith/Piccadilly Line. Much
easier (cross platform) interchange at Hammersmith than South Ken.

Or change at Barons Court for the same effect - a less busy station, and
more interesting in my reckoning.

Yes, Baron's Court is better for the change, just as Blackfriars is much
better than Victoria, with its dozens of steps down to the platform, and
huge rush hour crowds.

On 14/06/2015 16:51, Recliner wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
[...]
Alternatively, East Croydon/Victoria/Hammersmith/Piccadilly Line. Much
easier (cross platform) interchange at Hammersmith than South Ken.

Or change at Barons Court for the same effect - a less busy station, and
more interesting in my reckoning.

Yes, Baron's Court is better for the change, just as Blackfriars is much
better than Victoria, with its dozens of steps down to the platform, and
huge rush hour crowds.


By going via Blackfriars, you're heading significantly out of the way
just to use a step-free route. It depends how much that step-free route
matters to the passenger in question.

Victoria Underground station is indeed very busy in the morning peak,
but it does still work and passengers do pass through it, albeit slowly.
Again it depends the passenger(s) in question. (I'd do it, for example!)

I'd be a bit wary of heading via Blackfriars because it's Thameslink...
and we all know how the Thameslink route (particularly the core) likes
to take a little lie-down at rather inopportune times.

"Mizter T" wrote

On 13/06/2015 23:49, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

The TFL journey planner is very reliable for this sort of query, if
what you want is fastest/easiest, rather than cheapest.

The SE Travel Planner is less inclined to order you to cross a dual
carriageway with no light controlled crossing.

http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk..._TRIP_REQUEST2


Where does that happen?

The examples I have seen have a dual carriageway with bus stops, and the TFL
journey planner chooses the nearest.

When the destination is on the other side, oops !

Try Kingston-upon-Thames to KT19 0EB [Ewell Court, Lakehurst Road, Ewell]

I also got it on a trip from Ashford Hospital to TW18 4HW where crossing the
A30 is possible but not where suggested (SE Travel Planner has a problem too
because Open Street Map hasn't got the crossing).



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Mike D