On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:09:50 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 10:01:39 on Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

It occurs to me that if the line is electrified to Corby (despite it
being "North of Kettering", that's what the "Bedford to Kettering
electrification" is all about) then they could release the three
Meridians used for that service to replace HSTs on the main line.

Three short Meridians wouldn't be enough, surely?

No. And it would be politically unacceptable

Whereas scrapping almost all the new MML electrification *is*
politically acceptable?

Unavoidable, if embarrassing, after NR's electrification failures. NR
had re-started it back after the previous 'pause', and maybe they will
again one day, but certainly not before the GWML work has been
completed, and lessons learned from the fiasco.


for the new MML franchise to make no use of the newly electrified line.

It wouldn't be making "no use"; there'd be EMUs from St Pancras to
Corby, assuming that route wasn't transferred to Thameslink.

I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same
distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St
Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs
than the current 222s.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305


So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he
announced that bi-modes would be used.

He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several
rounds of being boiled to come.

Given the necessary timing to order replacement trains before the HSTs
are retired, the announcement will have to be made fairly soon, well
before the new MML franchise starts. So it'll be the DfT making the
decision, and guess what train they have a soft spot for?

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
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ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 12:29:53 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 14:17:53 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Thats the amusing thing about you, recliner, perry and ambulance blocker,
you
tend to accuse me of this sort of thing yet when I ask for some examples
you
all mysteriously go quiet. Ain't that strange?

It's too painful to go through all your previous misspelt postings. But,

Painful? Thats an interesting euphamism for not possible.

What's a 'euphamism'?

Your standard fall back position when you can't think of anything else to
say, point out typos.

Are you unable to seperate the 2 parts?

What's 'seperate'? And there wasn't any fact.

Hmm, wonder how you spell aspergers...

--
Spud

In message , at 13:36:50 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same
distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St
Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs
than the current 222s.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305

As the electrification project also includes doubling Kettering-Corby
they'd better get a move on to meet the 2019 delivery date.

"These services could become daily" [wow] "and be extended to
Kettering/Corby". - some "could" weasel wording applying also to the
extension.

But anyway, it looks like a later to the editor, rather than anything
more definitive than that.

So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he
announced that bi-modes would be used.

He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several
rounds of being boiled to come.

Given the necessary timing to order replacement trains before the HSTs
are retired, the announcement will have to be made fairly soon, well
before the new MML franchise starts. So it'll be the DfT making the
decision, and guess what train they have a soft spot for?

The cheapest, which will probably be making do with the existing
Meridians.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 13:39:42 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

But the Brexit "weakness and instability" is kicking in fast, and this
whole thing is about money (throw enough and even NR will be able to
electrify to Sheffield). I'm not suggesting Grayling is particularly
prone to u-turns, but neither can he stave off external pressures
indefinitely.

Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment:

http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its-
dominance-over
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:40:30 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:36:50 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I'm assuming it'll be transferred to TL. It's roughly the same
distance as Peterborough, and it'll take pressure off the four MML St
Pancras platforms, particularly if they're being used by longer IEPs
than the current 222s.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/rail-...82823601204305

As the electrification project also includes doubling Kettering-Corby
they'd better get a move on to meet the 2019 delivery date.

"These services could become daily" [wow] "and be extended to
Kettering/Corby". - some "could" weasel wording applying also to the
extension.

But anyway, it looks like a later to the editor, rather than anything
more definitive than that.

Yes, I think it's a letter to the editor, but quite a well-informed
one.


So it's a safe bet that Grayling knew what he was talking about when he
announced that bi-modes would be used.

He knew he was buying time, knowing that this frog still has several
rounds of being boiled to come.

Given the necessary timing to order replacement trains before the HSTs
are retired, the announcement will have to be made fairly soon, well
before the new MML franchise starts. So it'll be the DfT making the
decision, and guess what train they have a soft spot for?

The cheapest, which will probably be making do with the existing
Meridians.

Well, let's see…

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 14:46:06 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 13:39:42 on
Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

But the Brexit "weakness and instability" is kicking in fast, and this
whole thing is about money (throw enough and even NR will be able to
electrify to Sheffield). I'm not suggesting Grayling is particularly
prone to u-turns, but neither can he stave off external pressures
indefinitely.

Anyway, how's this project of his going, at the moment:

http://www.cityam.com/254895/chris-g...work-rail-its-
dominance-over

He still seems to be keen on some version of that idea in new
franchises, but it's probably too hard to retrofit it to old ones.
That desired higher level of TOC/NR integration was one of the reasons
he cited for not passing on more metro lines to TfL.

wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 09:13:29 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 09 Aug 2017 09:41:23 +0100
wrote:
As a child I liked going to Hounslow West as walking along the pathway
behind the buffers gave you an unusual view of the trains,
I think the only sub surface train I have travelled on the route was
the Steam special from Northfields a couple of years back.

How far can a sub surface stock go down the heathrow branch these days?
Obviously the heathrow tunnels and houslow west are too small for one.

I believe it is Northfields and on occasions a sub surface train
reaches there and has been returned via the depot.
Sometimes the visits have been unplanned.
Hounslow Central used to have the over height detectors just beyond if
a sub surface train ever got that far but in more recent times a
couple of rail over road bridges have been replaced and they were
built to allow passage of stock of tube width but would foul any sub
service stock . The first one is here just west of Hounslow East.
https://goo.gl/maps/FgFoJEYYvd92.

I was wondering about RAT runs on the Piccadilly line. I know the A and in
future the D stock RATs are used for the western Piccadilly line, but I
wonder if they can go further west than Northfields?

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

That depends on him. His interest in the railway extends to opening
Cambridge North station yesterday and then departing by car.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:11:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 06:07:58 on Fri, 4 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

I take it you don't read any railway magazines?

I don't read magazines yet to be printed. MML electrification was
only cancelled ten days ago.

RAIL dated yesterday (Wednesday) has the story on its front cover.

What does LIAR say about the fleet post-HST?

It quotes Grayling as saying that bi-modes will be used.

Ask again in three weeks, and you'll probably get a different answer.
He's just regurgitating a somewhat tired figleaf.

Serious question: does Grayling have a reputation for regularly changing
his mind?

He'll be long gone as Transport Minister before the next round of frog
boiling.

In other words, you admit he doesn't have that reputation? If so, why
say it?

He may not be around for very long, but will be there long enough to
get the MML IEPs ordered. In any case, it will be the DfT's civil
servants' idea, not his, and so will continue even after he's moved
on.

That depends on him. His interest in the railway extends to opening
Cambridge North station yesterday and then departing by car.

Well, he's responsible for roads as well as trains…