In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:29:21 -0500
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:01:28 +0100
Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 11:38:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 08:36:44 on Thu, 3 Aug
2017, d remarked:

As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river,
where's the link to the current thameslink route?

Slaps forehead

Indeed!

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various
lines a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

I don't do any of those things so no reason why you should either. Just feed
what you please to call your brain.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 03/08/2017 12:50, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:28:02 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 07:19:00 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

But IEPs aren't expected on that line.

Aren't they...

No, all the ones on order are spoken for by VTEC and GWR.

Not true: do your research.

Cite please.

Class 802/2s have been ordered for Hull Trains (5) and TPE (19).

IEP is a DfT procurement programme, rather than a type of rolling stock.
The Hull Trains and TPE trains (and some of the GWR ones) are being
bought conventionally by "normal" ROSCOs, rather than as part of the IEP.

cf random industrial saddle tanks not necessarily being J94s, or Javelin
being a brand name for a service to Stratford during the 2012 Olympics
which was operated on behalf of (cont'd platform 94)

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 03/08/2017 14:52, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:55:05 on
Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

As an aside, and don't take this the wrong way, but have you recently
had some traumatic event? You seem to be arguing much more than
usual, often claiming expertise that you don't have. Perhaps you
should take a break of a few weeks from posting on, or even reading,
these news groups?

I've recently become a bit less tolerant of people spouting nonsense, I
agree.

Usenet being a brilliant place to go to avoid people spouting nonsense...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 03/08/2017 12:50, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 12:28:02 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-septe
mber.org, at 07:19:00 on Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Recliner
remarked:

But IEPs aren't expected on that line.

Aren't they...

No, all the ones on order are spoken for by VTEC and GWR.

Not true: do your research.

Cite please.

Class 802/2s have been ordered for Hull Trains (5) and TPE (19).

IEP is a DfT procurement programme, rather than a type of rolling stock.
The Hull Trains and TPE trains (and some of the GWR ones) are being
bought conventionally by "normal" ROSCOs, rather than as part of the IEP.

Yes, I know, but it's a convenient, widely-used shorthand that everyone
understands. And this stock might well be ordered by the DfT anyway.


cf random industrial saddle tanks not necessarily being J94s, or Javelin
being a brand name for a service to Stratford during the 2012 Olympics
which was operated on behalf of (cont'd platform 94)

In message , at
00:02:59 on Sat, 5 Aug 2017, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

But IEPs aren't expected on that line.

Aren't they...

No, all the ones on order are spoken for by VTEC and GWR.

Not true: do your research.

Cite please.

Class 802/2s have been ordered for Hull Trains (5) and TPE (19).

IEP is a DfT procurement programme, rather than a type of rolling
stock. The Hull Trains and TPE trains (and some of the GWR ones) are
being bought conventionally by "normal" ROSCOs, rather than as part of
the IEP.

While I agree with that, until an order is placed for class
800-something for the MML then it's just as much vapourware
as this for 'The North':

"... deploying alternative-fuel trains on the route by 2021",

the date for the MML refranchise,

the deadline for new tiolets in HSTs,

and most ludicrous: "hydrogen power".

ps. and there's always the weasel words - "subject to business case"
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
00:02:59 on Sat, 5 Aug 2017, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

But IEPs aren't expected on that line.

Aren't they...

No, all the ones on order are spoken for by VTEC and GWR.

Not true: do your research.

Cite please.

Class 802/2s have been ordered for Hull Trains (5) and TPE (19).

IEP is a DfT procurement programme, rather than a type of rolling
stock. The Hull Trains and TPE trains (and some of the GWR ones) are
being bought conventionally by "normal" ROSCOs, rather than as part of
the IEP.

While I agree with that, until an order is placed for class
800-something for the MML then it's just as much vapourware
as this for 'The North':

"... deploying alternative-fuel trains on the route by 2021",

the date for the MML refranchise,

the deadline for new tiolets in HSTs,

and most ludicrous: "hydrogen power".

ps. and there's always the weasel words - "subject to business case"

You forgot bionic duckweed. See Roger Ford /passim./

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:06:46 PM UTC+5:30, wrote:

As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's the
link to the current thameslink route?


Trains from the north either terminate at King's Cross or go to a through
station under St Pancras. To reach the latter, a tunnel was burrowed under
the canal to the north of St Pancras. When I checked a few months back,
the tunnel wouldn't be pressed into service for at least a year.

Ding Bat wrote:
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:06:46 PM UTC+5:30, wrote:

As an aside, how do trains on the ECML get south of the river, where's the
link to the current thameslink route?


Trains from the north either terminate at King's Cross or go to a through
station under St Pancras. To reach the latter, a tunnel was burrowed under
the canal to the north of St Pancras.

The two Canal Tunnels, actually, built over a decade ago.

When I checked a few months back,
the tunnel wouldn't be pressed into service for at least a year.

Yes, they will finally go into passenger service next year, but as Roland
showed, the tunnels are already being used for ECS movements. It's on the
Thameslink for all, even Spud, to see:
http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk.../canal-tunnels

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:31:33 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:28:13 on Fri, 4 Aug
2017, d remarked:

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

....we will ignore everything you say, as you've now admitted it's
founded upon ignorance.

Feel free to point out where I said anything of the sort.

Your clearly admitted ignorance of the most basic details of the
Thameslink routes.

So not knowing about part of the new thameslink route means I don't know
anything at all? Oh how handwaving convenient for your limp riposte.

--
Spud

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:29:05 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:31:33 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:28:13 on Fri, 4 Aug
2017, d remarked:

Indeed what? Is knowing the precise junction layouts of the various lines
a prerequsite of being able to discuss this?

No, but it would help you not look like a total prat.

When I start wearing an anorak and hanging around at the end of platforms
carrying a thermos flask and notebook I might give a ****. Until then...

....we will ignore everything you say, as you've now admitted it's
founded upon ignorance.

Feel free to point out where I said anything of the sort.

Your clearly admitted ignorance of the most basic details of the
Thameslink routes.

So not knowing about part of the new thameslink route means I don't know
anything at all? Oh how handwaving convenient for your limp riposte.

You've also previously demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge about
the Thameslink route from Blackfriars to London Bridge in the thread
you started entitled 'Blackfriars - London Bridge:

"When was there last a service that went through both these stations?
I noticed theres a 3 track chord linking the line from blackfriars to
the charing X line but the tracks were rusty and there were some
road-rail maintenance machines sitting on it. Is it just for
occasional out of service stock movements now?"