On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:12:31 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\09\20 14:41, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically
going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park
Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and
walking.

Was that "can" supposed to be "can't"?

Oggy Circus and Victoria are two of the four busiest tube stations:
Waterloo is another, and the easiest route from Cockfosters involves
taking the Vic from Finny P to Oggy C.

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

I suppose it depends if you value comfort over time. Personally I've got
better things to do than spend an extra 10-15 mins trundling through the
west end on the piccadilly line.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 21:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:34:39 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:

The working timetables are all online at
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publica...ing-timetables

Krapy Rubsnif to Kings Cross:
Vic = 310 seconds N/B or 315 seconds S/B
Picc = 7.5 minutes N/B or 8 minutes S/B
About 2.5 minutes difference

KX to Green Park:
Vic = 400 seconds N/B or 390 seconds S/B
Picc = 10 minutes N/B or 9.5 minutes S/B
About 3.5 minutes difference

Those are the official times. The OP thinks that Picc trains are running much
slower in real life, causing people to bail out at Finsbury.

They are. Often they'll sit at finsbury on the S/B for 1-2 minutes presumably
to "regulate the service" (ie sort out their timetable ****ups) and then
you'll have the endless delays up to KX and through the west end. On the times
I've taken the picc to green park it often takes 10 mins and now and then 15
mins longer than the victoria line on a bad day. N/B i simply don't bother with,
I just head straight to the vic platforms to start with.

wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:12:31 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\09\20 14:41, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically
going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park
Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and
walking.

Was that "can" supposed to be "can't"?

Oggy Circus and Victoria are two of the four busiest tube stations:
Waterloo is another, and the easiest route from Cockfosters involves
taking the Vic from Finny P to Oggy C.

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

I suppose it depends if you value comfort over time. Personally I've got
better things to do than spend an extra 10-15 mins trundling through the
west end on the piccadilly line.

In that particular example, the comfortable option is also quicker. But
obviously it wouldn't always be the case.

On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:34:39 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:

Krapy Rubsnif to Kings Cross:
Vic = 310 seconds N/B or 315 seconds S/B
Picc = 7.5 minutes N/B or 8 minutes S/B
About 2.5 minutes difference

KX to Green Park:
Vic = 400 seconds N/B or 390 seconds S/B
Picc = 10 minutes N/B or 9.5 minutes S/B
About 3.5 minutes difference

I followed the progress of train 354 on 21st September 2017. Occasionally it was right behind train 306, which might have slowed it a bit. This was just after the rush hour.

Finsbury Park 09:54
King's X 10:04
Green Park 10:14.

So it took 20 minutes from FP to GP. The timetable says it should be 17.5, so I think that looks reasonably close. It might be very different at 8:30 am, though.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:18:38 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:12:31 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\09\20 14:41, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically
going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park
Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and
walking.

Was that "can" supposed to be "can't"?

Oggy Circus and Victoria are two of the four busiest tube stations:
Waterloo is another, and the easiest route from Cockfosters involves
taking the Vic from Finny P to Oggy C.

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

I suppose it depends if you value comfort over time. Personally I've got
better things to do than spend an extra 10-15 mins trundling through the
west end on the piccadilly line.

In that particular example, the comfortable option is also quicker. But
obviously it wouldn't always be the case.

You could always walk from the vic to the picc at green park though the poorly
designed layout at that station makes it far more of a slog than it should be
just to change lines.

wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:18:38 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:12:31 GMT
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2017\09\20 14:41, Offramp wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:07:03 UTC+1, wrote:

I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically
going
to a victoria line station.

I can imagine someone who lives at Cockfosters and works at Hyde Park
Corner travelling Cockfosters - Finsbury Park, FP (Vic) - Green Park and
walking.

Was that "can" supposed to be "can't"?

Oggy Circus and Victoria are two of the four busiest tube stations:
Waterloo is another, and the easiest route from Cockfosters involves
taking the Vic from Finny P to Oggy C.

If I'd got a seat on the Picc from Cockfosters, I'd stay seated in
reasonable comfort on the train all the way to Hyde Park corner, rather
than having to stand on a packed Victoria line train from Finsbury Park to
Green Park, and then having a 10 min walk to Hyde Park Corner (maybe in the
rain) that more than wasted the few minutes I'd saved standing on the
Victoria line train.

I suppose it depends if you value comfort over time. Personally I've got
better things to do than spend an extra 10-15 mins trundling through the
west end on the piccadilly line.

In that particular example, the comfortable option is also quicker. But
obviously it wouldn't always be the case.

You could always walk from the vic to the picc at green park though the poorly
designed layout at that station makes it far more of a slog than it should be
just to change lines.

No, it's a doddle: take the Vic escalator to the surface, come down on the
other escalator, and you're straight on to the Picc platforms.

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 01:07:01PM +0000, wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:44:25AM +0000, wrote:
Its got to the point where its just painful to use in the mornings and
unsurprisingly the vast majority of people bail out at Finsbury and get on
the victoria line putting added strain on that.
It couldn't be that people are changing trains because the Victoria line
goes where they want to go could it? That's the reason that *I* change
at Finsbury Park pretty much every time I use the Piccadilly line.
I doubt all the people who get off the picc at finsbury are specifically going
to a victoria line station.

I expect that quite a few will be intending to make a further change
onto one of the Overground branches at Highbury & Islington. And
bazillions of people use Oxford Circus and Victoria - Oxford Circus for
media and retail jobs, Victoria for lots of government jobs.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Today's previously unreported paraphilia is tomorrow's Internet sensation

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:02:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
You could always walk from the vic to the picc at green park though the
poorly
designed layout at that station makes it far more of a slog than it should be
just to change lines.

No, it's a doddle: take the Vic escalator to the surface, come down on the
other escalator, and you're straight on to the Picc platforms.

Going up 1 escalator then down another is hardly a doddle for some people
especially if you have kids or stuff to carry. Also if you're the wrong
end of the vic platform you have a long walk.

wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:02:26 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
You could always walk from the vic to the picc at green park though the
poorly
designed layout at that station makes it far more of a slog than it should be
just to change lines.

No, it's a doddle: take the Vic escalator to the surface, come down on the
other escalator, and you're straight on to the Picc platforms.

Going up 1 escalator then down another is hardly a doddle for some people
especially if you have kids or stuff to carry. Also if you're the wrong
end of the vic platform you have a long walk.

If you're using the escalator short-cut, you just need to be somewhere
towards the middle of the Victoria line train. In the other direction, you
want to be at the western end of the Picc train.

It's step-free, too.

Um... are you a nutcase? The shortest step free route is the best. The underground tunnels are for tourists and nitwits.