Hi all,

I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented anyway,
but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented anyway,
but I had to laugh when I saw this one.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf

Wow, complicated. I can barely get my head around that one...

Dave
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Hi all,

I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented anyway,
but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf

Not sure what the problem is. Spider maps were introduced because public
transport information often is presented in a way that is "hard to get your
head round", i.e. while the average enthusiast may have no problem, the
average passenger, with no interest in such matters beyond a means of
getting from A to B, can often be completely baffled by a matrix type
timetable and geographically correct map. Having standardised on a design,
it would be surprising if this was then departed from, for a site such as
West Acton, because that would introduce confusion. You seem to be
criticising TfL for this very standardisation (which is in response to some
market research on the subject, rather than some abstract thought process )
when in the days of London Transport, standardisation was the name of the
game, regardless of what the passenger might actually want, or need.

John Rowland wrote:

Hi all,

I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented anyway,
but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf


Extreme example but then again, it clearly shows all stops served by the
route, you can easily look up your destination and find out which stop
without worrying about what direction it's in, and the local area map
couldn't be much clearer. Plus if you're already used to the way spider
maps are laid out then it's easy as pie.

Why do you think the spider maps are poorly implemented? Personally I
find them some of the most useful bus information I've ever used in this
country. They're the first thing I look for when I'm at a big
interchange I haven't used before.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In message , Dave Arquati
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Why do you think the spider maps are poorly implemented? Personally I
find them some of the most useful bus information I've ever used in this
country.
Yes, I agree with that.

They're the first thing I look for when I'm at a big interchange I haven't
used before.
Ditto.

I'm surprised to find John so anti them.
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Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:54:37 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Hi all,

I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented anyway,
but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf

I think the spider has become disorientated ;-)
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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, John Rowland wrote:

I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented
anyway, but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf

More of a millipede map, really.

tom

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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
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In message , Dave Arquati
writes

Why do you think the spider maps are poorly implemented?
Personally I find them some of the most useful bus
information I've ever used in this country.

Yes, I agree with that.

They're the first thing I look for when I'm
at a big interchange I haven't used before.

Ditto.

I'm surprised to find John so anti them.

I know I'm alone in this, so I don't really want to continue the argument
again. If anyone should be interested in my previous comments, they are
here...

http://www.google.com/groups?num=100...nd&btnG=Search

Incidentally, the market research which approved them was presumably
performed on the original half-dozen or so specimens, into which the
necessary manpower had been poured to make them usable. Subsequent examples
look churned out with no thought to usability. To carry out market research
in this way does not serve the public.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, John Rowland wrote:


I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented
anyway, but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf


More of a millipede map, really.

tom

ROFL!

I hope bus users aren't afraid of creepy-crawlies.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
Hi all,

I think London Buses' spider maps are all very poorly implemented anyway,
but I had to laugh when I saw this one.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/west_acton.pdf

Could you explain why ? It looks admirably clear to me.
We should have such useful maps outside London !

Nick
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