On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:07:31 +0000 (UTC), "Piccadilly Pilot"
wrote:

Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote:

Hmmm.... I thought the W&C tunnels were big enough to take regular
stock... Thought I had vague memories of NSE trains running on the
line before the management went over to LUL, but could well be wrong.

They use similar stock to that in use on the Central. When delivered it was
in NSE livery, as was the previous 1941 stock IIRC.


I rather think the previous stock (1940 stock to be precise) was
delivered in Southern Railway Malachite Green. It would only have
been painted into NSE livery at the very end of its life. ( know
that's what you meant, but it isn't what you said).

Incidentally, the original W&C stock was painted salmon pink!

--
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Crossrail will use the NLL alignment from Custom House to near North
Woolwich - so it will actually pass through Silvertown station. However
since they're it doesn't appear on any of their plans, I presume it is
scheduled for closure - especially given that it is around 7 mins' walk
from the airport whereas the DLR's new station will be right outside the
terminal building.

I'm not sure exactly why CLRL want to close Silvertown station. Could be
for engineering reasons, although the portal for their Gallions Reach
tunnel should be much further east. It might just be to speed up journey
times through an area which will be well-served by the new DLR branch,
which will eventually have trains running direct between Stratford -
Canning Town - City Airport - Woolwich Arsenal.

I asked about this at a recent Crossrail information display, and was told
that Crossrail examined the possibility of retaining Silvertown station, but
there was no business case (even on a cost benefit basis). The station is
too far from the LCY terminal for sensible interchange (DLR from Central
London, or from Woolwich Arsenal for connection from SET stations makes more
sense), it would be expensive to upgrade the station for Crossrail (lengthen
platforms, make it accessible, etc), and there was a suggestion that the
trackbed would be lowered. Crossrail will use both tracks of the Connaught
tunnel, come up to ground level, and then descend again for the Gallions
Reach tunnel.

Peter

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...

Has this ever been proposed? If it hasn't, how could something so
obvious be missed? Is there anything preventing the third side of the
triangle from being restored?

I can understand why TL trains from the north to Moorgate are useful,
but many passengers coming from the south already have the option of
getting a train into Cannon Street from London Bridge, and Cannon St is
arguably closer to more City destinations than Moorgate. Running more
trains through the Snow Hill tunnel will probably put an extra strain on
even the TL2K signalling system, leading to unreliability (more so than
existing TL services).

Apparently when the LCDR used to run trains through to Moorgate (because of
an agreement they had with the Metropolitan Railway, the trains were empty
betond Ludgate Hill - because of the unreliablity, passengers found it was
quicker to walk from Ludgate Hill to their offiuces, than to stay on the
train to Moorgate. Passengers from TL stations for Moorgate can of course
change at Farringdon on to very frequent LUL trains.

Peter

"k" wrote in message
...


I've only had about two legitimate causes to use it in my life. But I can
see why it might be popular with some very very conformist passengers who
live in Surrey, wear the same suit every day, and work 9-5 in the City.


Well I've never worn a suit to work - never worked 9-5 when I could
help it and never lived in Surrey. But I did use the W&C for many
years.


As did the other W&C drivers, I suspect.

BTN

k wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 14 Oct 2004:

On 13 Oct 2004 22:39:49 GMT, Robin May
wrote:



You must be mistaken. The Waterloo and City line definitely still has
trains painted in NSE livery.

It must have some that aren't then as well, because the trains I've
traveled on definitely weren't NSE livery

Thank you! I thought I wasn't going totally mad....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 26 September 2004

Bill Hayles writes:
I rather think the previous [W&C] stock (1940 stock to be precise)
was delivered in Southern Railway Malachite Green. It would only
have been painted into NSE livery at the very end of its life.

And in between, it was (naturally) in British Rail blue.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Sex on trains, of course."
-- Clive Feather

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:29:44 +0100, "Sir Benjamin Nunn"
wrote:




As did the other W&C drivers, I suspect.


other? I've never driven a train in my life!

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Sir Benjamin Nunn wrote:

"David E. Belcher" wrote in message
om...

snip
Anyway, as has been pointed out, th W&C is tube gauge, not mainline, so
would need to be widened. Visionless naysayers protest that this would be
impossible, but i demur - that's exactly what, i read in CULG, was done to
the City & South London Railway when it became part of the Northern Line.
They even did much of the widening at night, with trains still running in
the day! Until they hit a gas main and exploded it, anyway.

Errrm, of course you don't actually need to widen the tunnel at all. You
hand over the new extended line to LUL and they run it with tube stock...
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

k wrote the following in:


On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:29:44 +0100, "Sir Benjamin Nunn"
wrote:




As did the other W&C drivers, I suspect.


other? I've never driven a train in my life!

He seems to have the bizarre idea that because he doesn't use something
it must be useless.

--
message by the incredible Robin May.
"The British don't like successful people" - said by British failures

Who is Abi Titmuss? What is she? Why is she famous?
http://robinmay.fotopic.net

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:39:10 +0100, TP wrote:

(Jim Brown) wrote:

If the Bank of England sacrificed its vaults (Very little use for them
now, with the gold sold off) and Cannon Street St was put underground
(Plus a new tunnel under the Thames), would a tunnel connecting
Moorgate and London Bridge be feasible? Or do the tube lines around
there make it impossible?


Unfortunately, you started with a false premise. You can be assured
that the Bank of England has plenty of reasons to use its vaults.

In the days of higher gold reserves, the gold was in any case mostly
held elsewhere.

The Gold has indeed, by and large, been removed several years ago,
offshore thanks to the EU.

However, the vaults are still heavily used, mainly as office space.

The BoE has removed itself from several buildings in and about the
city, Bank Buildings, Exchange building (East of St Pauls) etc and
shoe horned its operations into HO building (Threadneedle St to us)

However, it must be remembered that one piece of paper can, quite
literally be worth all the tea in China, so Security is still very
much paramount there. So much so that really I suspect that I should
not be joining in on this thread :-(

Now the main thrust of its security argument is that it is on an
island, with roads right round it and NO underground works under,
except for building services, all contained within the C18/C19 curtain
wall, breached only by some 3"or so thick metal doors. Updated by a
very modern Citadel type security system.

AIUI the Northern Line passes to the west of the Bank site itself and
then down King Billy Street, which is over the Bank platforms.

So I think that any thought of tunneling work under the Bank site
would be met with a very erect middle finger.

Keith J Chesworth
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