"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

Are they running a special timetable prior to the closure in order to get
all the trains the same way around during the closure, or is there no such
thing as a 1973 stock being "the wrong way around"?

Presumably there isn't, as there is only a loop at one end of the line, so
on alternate journeys the stock will be in reverse formation.

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
Are they running a special timetable prior to the closure in order to get
all the trains the same way around during the closure, or is there no such
thing as a 1973 stock being "the wrong way around"?

Unfortunately, there is. When the stock was built, there was no such thing
as the T4 loop, and all the stock was built handed.

Fortunately the Aldwych branch still existed at the time, leading to a
quantity of double-cab units being built.

Jack Taylor wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...

Are they running a special timetable prior to the closure in order
to get all the trains the same way around during the closure, or is
there no such thing as a 1973 stock being "the wrong way around"?

Presumably there isn't, as there is only a loop at one end of the
line, so on alternate journeys the stock will be in reverse formation.

"Single ended" 73 stock can be either way round as the coupler is mechanical
only. Double ended units, i.e. those with a cab at both ends are handed and
therefore need to be the correct way round.

However for the sake of simplicity I suspect that all trains will be turned
so that the "A" end is at the west end.

David Splett wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
Are they running a special timetable prior to the closure in order
to get all the trains the same way around during the closure, or is
there no such thing as a 1973 stock being "the wrong way around"?

Unfortunately, there is. When the stock was built, there was no such
thing as the T4 loop, and all the stock was built handed.

Only the double ended cabs are handed.



Fortunately the Aldwych branch still existed at the time, leading to a
quantity of double-cab units being built.

They were primarily built to provided flexibility when a single ended cab
need to be withdrawn from service.

Paul Corfield wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:04:14 -0000, "Bored Of The Rings"
wrote:

When does the last trains to Heathrow run? I have to fly out from terminal 1
on Friday 14th Jan, how will I get there now??

You will still be able to get to Heathrow T123 station by Tube at all
normal times when the loop is closed. For terminal 4 there will be a
shuttle bus from Hatton Cross station.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/first...piccadilly.pdf
gives the current first and last train times for Heathrow. For January I
would expect the times to be very similar for T123 station.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/pdf/Heathrow-T4-%20leaflet.pdf is the leaflet
explaining the arrangements. All the info is on the Tube website.

Looks like very bad planning to me - they withdraw the direct tube
service but fail to provide a convenient alternative! Surely it wouldn't
be that hard to extend the H25, so that passengers once again have a
convenient service from the rail interchange at Feltham?

"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
...
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:04:14 -0000, "Bored Of The Rings"
wrote:

When does the last trains to Heathrow run? I have to fly out from
terminal 1
on Friday 14th Jan, how will I get there now??

You will still be able to get to Heathrow T123 station by Tube at all
normal times when the loop is closed. For terminal 4 there will be a
shuttle bus from Hatton Cross station.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/first...piccadilly.pdf
gives the current first and last train times for Heathrow. For January I
would expect the times to be very similar for T123 station.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/pdf/Heathrow-T4-%20leaflet.pdf is the leaflet
explaining the arrangements. All the info is on the Tube website.

Looks like very bad planning to me - they withdraw the direct tube
service but fail to provide a convenient alternative! Surely it wouldn't
be that hard to extend the H25, so that passengers once again have a
convenient service from the rail interchange at Feltham?

Did you miss the bit about being able to use the Heathrow Express between
T1-3 and T4 for free?

In message , John Rowland
writes

Are they running a special timetable prior to the closure in order to
get all the trains the same way around during the closure, or is there
no such thing as a 1973 stock being "the wrong way around"?

Up ^^ there, I said:

Terminal 4 station closes from Friday 7 January, although some trains
will run non stop via the loop for turning purposes on that day as
required.
--
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In message , Brimstone
writes

Are they running a special timetable prior to the closure in order
to get all the trains the same way around during the closure, or is
there no such thing as a 1973 stock being "the wrong way around"?

Unfortunately, there is. When the stock was built, there was no such
thing as the T4 loop, and all the stock was built handed.

Only the double ended cabs are handed.

Single ended units come in A and D end variants (Even numbered ones are
A end and odd numbered ones are D). Double ended units have an A and a
D end cab.

A unit is three cars, hence two together make a train.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Robin Mayes wrote:
"Aidan Stanger" wrote...
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:04:14 -0000, "Bored Of The Rings"
wrote:

When does the last trains to Heathrow run? I have to fly out from
terminal 1
on Friday 14th Jan, how will I get there now??

You will still be able to get to Heathrow T123 station by Tube at all
normal times when the loop is closed. For terminal 4 there will be a
shuttle bus from Hatton Cross station.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/first...piccadilly.pdf
gives the current first and last train times for Heathrow. For January I
would expect the times to be very similar for T123 station.

http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/pdf/Heathrow-T4-%20leaflet.pdf is the leaflet
explaining the arrangements. All the info is on the Tube website.

Looks like very bad planning to me - they withdraw the direct tube
service but fail to provide a convenient alternative! Surely it wouldn't
be that hard to extend the H25, so that passengers once again have a
convenient service from the rail interchange at Feltham?

Did you miss the bit about being able to use the Heathrow Express between
T1-3 and T4 for free?

No I didn't. The HEx uses a totally different station in Heathrow.

Feltham has been rebuilt into a gateway station for Heathrow, with step
free access from the platform to the bus interchange. They used to run
two direct express bus services from the T123 and T4 (going where
their numbers suggest). The T123 was subsequently absorbed into another
service, and the T4 was abolished completely. Now to get from Feltham to
Heathrow T4 you either have to change buses at Hatton Cross or change
onto the HEx at the central terminal area - which is much further from
Feltham than terminal 4 is.

Extending the H25 would provide a real alternative, but instead they're
relying on a replacement bus service.

Aidan Stanger wrote to uk.transport.london on Sun, 12 Dec 2004:

Looks like very bad planning to me - they withdraw the direct tube
service but fail to provide a convenient alternative! Surely it wouldn't
be that hard to extend the H25, so that passengers once again have a
convenient service from the rail interchange at Feltham?

It isn't inconvenient now - I did it twice over the summer, and it was
fine. Bus goes to central bus station - forget the number, but it's
pretty self-explanatory when you're there. And the old bus service
never did serve T4, so you're no worse off than you were before. For
me, in South London, it's my preferred way of going to Heathrow,
although I doubt it's quicker than the Tube!

Actually, to get from T123 to T4, can't you use the Heathrow Express? I
seem to remember that was the preferred way of going from t'other to
which.....
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 28 November 2004