TheOneKEA wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Further to the whole Greenford thing, I totally forgot that the
Greenford branch may *not* lose all its passengers if it is cut
back to West Ealing for Crossrail, as Crossrail proposes that the
frequency of the branch is doubled to 4tph (making connections to
Crossrail at West Ealing). There would be cross-platform interchange
from a bay platform for Greenford trains to eastbound Crossrail
trains.

Journey times from Greenford to Liverpool Street would be marginally
quicker via Crossrail than via the Central line (35 mins vs. 38
mins).


How much faster would journey times be from a hypothetical Crossrail
station at North Acton and/or Park Royal instead of the companion LU
station?

I imagine times would be similar to those from Acton Main Line;
Crossrail quote 16 minutes to Liverpool Street, compared to 30 minutes
via the Central line.

I was at North Acton today and could see just how absurdly easy it
would be to dig out the northern edge of the cutting, reinstate double
track and build a pair of side platforms, with stairwell interchange at
North Acton. You could even get a set of lifts to the Central Line
platforms without any major issues...

I discovered the other day that the High Wycombe corridor considered
previously would have included a station at Park Royal/North Acton. It
was also once proposed that Crossrail take over the Central line from
North Acton to Ealing Broadway.

In any case, I hope advantage is taken of Acton Main Line as a gateway
station from Crossrail to Park Royal - the current 440 bus misses Acton
Main Line to head off into the depths of West Acton.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:04:49 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:
Chris Tolley wrote:
Central? Paddington?
Yes, it's in Zone 1 therefore it's central.

Even Fenchurch Street is closer to Charing Cross than Paddington...
As is Marylebone. That's the thing about Central London termini: they're
ALL central!

In my mind it's "central" if it's within sensible walking distance of
something useful. I used to work in Traf Sq., and used to shop in
Tottenham Ct Rd. So, for me, neither Padd nor Fen St qualify. ;-)

The boundary of what is, and what is not part of Central London is defined
by the map accompanying the Mayor of London Order 2000, as signed by the
First Secretary of State.

And no, it's not on the internet!

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
...

We live on a very crowded island.

Yes. People are crammed into urban areas through the "sustainability
agenda". Actually, it only "seems" crowded because only 11% of the UK is
actually urbanised.

Our landscape is unique and precious.

It recovers quite than one might imagine from development!

Ian Harper wrote:
"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:04:49 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:

Chris Tolley wrote:

Central? Paddington?

Yes, it's in Zone 1 therefore it's central.


Even Fenchurch Street is closer to Charing Cross than Paddington...

As is Marylebone. That's the thing about Central London termini: they're
ALL central!

In my mind it's "central" if it's within sensible walking distance of
something useful. I used to work in Traf Sq., and used to shop in
Tottenham Ct Rd. So, for me, neither Padd nor Fen St qualify. ;-)


The boundary of what is, and what is not part of Central London is defined
by the map accompanying the Mayor of London Order 2000, as signed by the
First Secretary of State.

And no, it's not on the internet!

That's a shame. It could settle quite a few arguments on this newsgroup!


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:10:00 -0000, Ian Harper wrote:
"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
In my mind it's "central" if it's within sensible walking distance of
something useful. I used to work in Traf Sq., and used to shop in
Tottenham Ct Rd. So, for me, neither Padd nor Fen St qualify. ;-)

The boundary of what is, and what is not part of Central London is defined
by the map accompanying the Mayor of London Order 2000, as signed by the
First Secretary of State.

And no, it's not on the internet!

So much for freedom of information... ;-)
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(Red Parcels Bubble 55995 at London Liverpool Street in 1991)

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:38:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:


Count the number of days when there isn't a major event at Wembley. Remember
it is not just the football ground that is served by that station, there are
4(?) exhibition halls, the Conference Centre and the Arena as well.


Hmm, Wembley is served by Wembley Park and Wembley Central. Now how
does the service freuqnecy of these stations compare with Wembley
Stadium?


Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

"Robert Woolley" wrote in message
...

Hmm, Wembley is served by Wembley Park and Wembley Central. Now how
does the service freuqnecy of these stations compare with Wembley
Stadium?

It depends where you want to go from/to. For Gerrards Cross, Beaconsfield,
High Wycombe, Bicester, Banbury etc. neither Wembley Park nor Wembley
Central are any use at all and 2tph from Wembley Stadium is quite
acceptable. For Aylesbury, despite the slightly longer journey, Wembley
Stadium is far more convenient that Wembley Park and a change at
Harrow-on-the-Hill.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:03:02 +0000, PaulBowery wrote:

What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford branch and Barking to
Gospel Oak into a single service via Ealing Broadway and Willesden
Junction. This would provide an interchange between the North London
Line and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains could run
to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

How about (after crossrail)

Greenford via CastleBarPark, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway, Acton Main
Line, then down via Shepherds Bush, KennyO, West Brompton, Imperial Wharf
to Clapham Junction to meet the East London line?

4tph would offer some form of SouthWest - West London transport.

Alternativly move half of the Heathrow Connect/Express services to
Waterloo via Clapham. A 30 minute every 30 minutes Express none-stop to
Waterloo would surely be a winner, combined with a Heathrow Connect all
stop - or at least EalingB-KennyO-Clapham, would be a well-used service.

--
Everything I write here is my personal opinion, and should not be taken as fact.

Paul Weaver wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:03:02 +0000, PaulBowery wrote:


What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford branch and Barking to
Gospel Oak into a single service via Ealing Broadway and Willesden
Junction. This would provide an interchange between the North London
Line and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains could run
to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

How about (after crossrail)

Greenford via CastleBarPark, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway, Acton Main
Line, then down via Shepherds Bush, KennyO, West Brompton, Imperial Wharf
to Clapham Junction to meet the East London line?

4tph would offer some form of SouthWest - West London transport.

Unfortunately the reason Greenford trains are being cut back to West
Ealing is that all line capacity on the Relief lines is required for
Crossrail services. Cutting back to West Ealing will mean Greenford
trains don't actually use the GW at all other than for travelling
to/from the depot.

Alternativly move half of the Heathrow Connect/Express services to
Waterloo via Clapham. A 30 minute every 30 minutes Express none-stop to
Waterloo would surely be a winner, combined with a Heathrow Connect all
stop - or at least EalingB-KennyO-Clapham, would be a well-used service.

That's fine if you're already at Heathrow and want to get into London,
but if you're doing it the other way around or want to travel to an
intermediate station on the GWML (which is what Heathrow Connect is
for!) then you've just halved the frequency.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:

Unfortunately the reason Greenford trains are being cut back
to West Ealing is that all line capacity on the Relief lines
is required for Crossrail services. Cutting back to West
Ealing will mean Greenford trains don't actually use the GW
at all other than for travelling to/from the depot.

This is why I suggested using the GW link line to run some of the
Crossrail trains to Greenford; unfortunately, the Central Line viaducts
would make it very difficult to get a link in from the bay platform to
the link line.