James Farrar wrote:
Boltar wrote:
Robin May wrote:

Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway.

Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of
network
southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network
rail
took over from railtrack.

No, because service was continuous.

In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict
network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then.

B2003

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James Farrar wrote:
Boltar wrote:
Robin May wrote:

Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway.

Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of
network
southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when
network
rail
took over from railtrack.

No, because service was continuous.

What about the Jubilee Line Extension ?

You answered your own question:

this was an extension to an existing railway

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James Farrar wrote:
Boltar wrote:
Robin May wrote:

Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway.

Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of
network
southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when network
rail
took over from railtrack.

No, because service was continuous.

In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the derelict
network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then.

No, because that's an extension of an existing network.

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Drinking Special Brew will get you drunk in much the same way that
going to prison will give you a roof over your head and free meals.

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Robin May wrote:
"Boltar" wrote the following in:
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James Farrar wrote:
Boltar wrote:
Robin May wrote:

Presumably they consider the EOR to be a new railway.

Seems unlikely to me. If that were the case then the whole of
network
southeast would have had to have been de-electrified when
network
rail
took over from railtrack.

No, because service was continuous.

In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the
derelict
network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered then.

No, because that's an extension of an existing network.

I think you're splitting hairs. If the Ongar line had never been
severed
from the rest of the central line but ownership had simply passed to
the
EOR I can't see how there could be any legal objections to it remaining
electrified.

B2003

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Robin May wrote:
"Boltar" wrote the following in:
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In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the
derelict
network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered
then.

No, because that's an extension of an existing network.

I think you're splitting hairs.

I'm not the one who makes the rules!

If the Ongar line had never been
severed
from the rest of the central line but ownership had simply passed
to the
EOR I can't see how there could be any legal objections to it
remaining electrified.

You'd have to take that up with HMRI.

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Robin May wrote:
"Boltar" wrote the following in:
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Robin May wrote:
"Boltar" wrote the following in:
ups.com
In that case the proposed extension of the met line over the
derelict
network rail croxley line to watford high street is buggered
then.

No, because that's an extension of an existing network.

I think you're splitting hairs.

I'm not the one who makes the rules!

If the Ongar line had never been
severed
from the rest of the central line but ownership had simply passed
to the
EOR I can't see how there could be any legal objections to it
remaining electrified.

You'd have to take that up with HMRI.

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message by Robin May.

But Robin - are you certain this is an actual HMRI ruling?

I recall earlier reports that the lineside wiring was stripped by
thieves after the power was switched off. I also heard that EOR were
criticised for removing the power rails but leaving the supports and
insulators in place - a trip hazard for track workers. I presume
they've now removed them.

I can well imagine the insurance and training requirements of an
electric railway might be expensive and onerous for a volunteer
organisation. But I've not heard of any specific HMRI ruling against
either this or against re-opening an existing railway with fully
exposed conductor rails - someone (possibly from EOR) may well be able
to correct me!

By the way, I wish EOR well but I think they'd need to make peace with
ORPS before I would consider supporting either organisation. I hope at
least to come for a ride soon.

"umpston" wrote in message
oups.com...

I also heard that EOR were criticised for removing
the power rails but leaving the supports and insulators
in place - a trip hazard for track workers. I presume
they've now removed them.

Some remained a few months ago.

By the way, I wish EOR well but I think they'd
need to make peace with ORPS before I
would consider supporting either organisation.

EOR run the railway. ORPS are just a bunch of people who wish they ran the
railway and have for several years done everything they can to inconvenience
the people who are running the railway. They're conceptually no different to
graffiti artists who try to rebrand railways with their own tags. I can't
imagine someone saying he wouldn't join London Underground unless they made
concilliatory overtures towards graffiti artists. I don't know steps you
think EOR can take, apart from waiting for ORPS to wither.

I hope at least to come for a ride soon.

So do it, and join EOR if you feel so inclined. Forget about ORPS - whatever
meaningful mission they might once have had, they now represent nothing
constructive.

Disclaimer: I'm not connected with EOR, and needless to say, I'm not
connected with ORPS either.

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