CJB wrote:
Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington

[snip]

Interesting story, and interesting comments too, but it's a bit
difficult to work out which are your comments and which are the BBC's.
I think a sprinkling of quotation marks would have helped. Or else a
clear separation of quote from comment - something like
quoteblahblahblah/quote would have helped.

I noticed this incident on the NRES website last night. For some reason
they were saying that it had affected services provided by FGW, FGWL
and Heathrow Connect - no mention of Heathrow Express. I can't see how
HEx could have continued running though, especially if one of their
trains was directly involved.

One question - what is the lineside fencing like round here? I thought
it was all heavy duty steel palissade these days? I suppose these kids
could have reached the track from Southall platforms, but then where
would they be going to?

All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.
--
Pat Ricroft, City of Salford, UK
================================

Pat Ricroft wrote:
All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.

Perhaps, but I'm going out on a limb here... If the area was recently
hit with graffiti, and this happened late at night, then I might not be
too stupid in suspecting that they were involved.

I guess the proof will come if there's no more graffiti put up in the
next few days/weeks, as these kids probably got a pretty nasty shock
(one of them did, certainly).

There's no justification for being on the tracks, so - to be honest - I
hope this story goes away as quickly as possible. It's yet another
article that many people will read as being the train companies fault
in some way (or, at best, Network Rail for not 'protecting' these
people from themselves).

If they were involved in vandalism or graffiti, then we should perhaps
thanks the HEX for contributing to crime prevention. [quickly puts on
flame suit]

Jonathan

jonmorris wrote:
Pat Ricroft wrote:
All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.
Perhaps, but I'm going out on a limb here... If the area was recently
hit with graffiti, and this happened late at night, then I might not be
too stupid in suspecting that they were involved.
Impossible to say, without any er, *evidence*.

I guess the proof will come if there's no more graffiti put up in the
next few days/weeks, as these kids probably got a pretty nasty shock
No, that won't prove anything. The kids being in possession of cans of
spray paint, even that wouldn't necessarily prove they did *that* bit of
tagging. CCTV or witnesses, now those would be persuasive evidence.

If they were involved in vandalism or graffiti, then we should perhaps
thanks the HEX for contributing to crime prevention. [quickly puts on
flame suit]
I'm not going to flame you. You know that was in squalid taste and you
know the appropriate thing to do would be to withdraw the remark. Ours
is not the kind of country where simply making the place look untidy is
or ever has been a capital offence.

There's no justification for being on the tracks
True.

I hope this story goes away as quickly as possible. It's yet another
article that many people will read as being the train companies fault
in some way (or, at best, Network Rail for not 'protecting' these
people from themselves).
I'd give people more credit than that. I might be wrong.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683795.html
(151 001 at Derby, 13 Jun 1985)

"Chris Tolley" wrote in message ...
jonmorris wrote:
Pat Ricroft wrote:
All very unfortunate, for everyone involved.
Perhaps, but I'm going out on a limb here... If the area was recently
hit with graffiti, and this happened late at night, then I might not be
too stupid in suspecting that they were involved.
Impossible to say, without any er, *evidence*.

I guess the proof will come if there's no more graffiti put up in the
next few days/weeks, as these kids probably got a pretty nasty shock
No, that won't prove anything. The kids being in possession of cans of
spray paint, even that wouldn't necessarily prove they did *that* bit of
tagging. CCTV or witnesses, now those would be persuasive evidence.

If they were involved in vandalism or graffiti, then we should perhaps
thanks the HEX for contributing to crime prevention. [quickly puts on
flame suit]
I'm not going to flame you. You know that was in squalid taste and you
know the appropriate thing to do would be to withdraw the remark. Ours
is not the kind of country where simply making the place look untidy is
or ever has been a capital offence.

There's no justification for being on the tracks
True.

I hope this story goes away as quickly as possible. It's yet another
article that many people will read as being the train companies fault
in some way (or, at best, Network Rail for not 'protecting' these
people from themselves).
I'd give people more credit than that. I might be wrong.
--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9683795.html
(151 001 at Derby, 13 Jun 1985)


The guy who was killed was 17....way old enough to know what he was doing, know how dangerous it is/was, know the disasterous
results of being in that area ( the tracks ).
It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost. I feel sorry for his family esp at this time of year and the driver of
the HEX. Sorry it sounds cold but excuses have been made time and again for these idiots when a bit of common could have saved his
life. It's not as if it was a tragic accident ( judging on info so far received ). He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price

It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours

Simon wrote:
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective
I don't doubt they have, but it doesn't change the facts

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then
See above, being Christmas is no excuse for being where they were.

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours
And the best to you as well, keep up the good work & don't let reason cloud
your judgement.


--
Regards


Vauxhall

"Simon" wrote in message oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do with this event ? Does it make any difference if this
happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was 17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous
but he still took that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the
law). Do i have to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him
HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say ' i feel so sorry for
him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 ' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep of bust railway tracks

"the REAL Trevor McDonut" wrote in message ...

"Simon" wrote in message oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do with this event ? Does it make any difference if this
happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was 17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous
but he still took that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the
law). Do i have to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him
HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say ' i feel so sorry for
him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 ' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep of bust railway tracks


whoops that should have read busy railway tracks

Okay the person killed maybe of unsound mind, very possible this time
of year! Sucides are common around Christmas. Is that not society's
fault?Not recognising someone needs help!

Or maybe it was a short cut home. At seventeen the parents should have
taught their seventeen year old the dangers in life, right from wrong!
And the consequences of breaking rules.

Under the influence of drink drugs, whatever! The individual's own
fault for not maintaining their own health and state of mind
sufficiently to know what they are doing.

You can have compassion for anyone involved and that includes the poor
individuals that have to clear the mess up after a fatality, it's not
nice I have to do it.

Which ever way you look at it, the loss of any human life isn't nice..

The railway is a dangerous environment, mistakes often end in death!
What is the point of putting up signs warning people of danger, for
people to ignore them.

I have no sympathy for the drunkard who decides to walk home along the
railway lines because they have missed the last train. I certainly
don't in the early hours searching the railway lines for body parts.

Suicides, how selfish are they!!! Can't kill themselves, so
traumatise several railway workers by jumping in front of a train and
scattering themselves over the front of a train and along the railway
lines.

Children, yes poor child, but what on earth is an under ten doing out
along near railway lines??? What on earth are the parents thinking
of?? And then they quite blatantly blame the Railway for their childs
death, not because they didn't know where their child was!!!!

The British( not all, but a few) are stuck up our own arses!!!!
Instead of thinking we should be careful, life is precious, we take
risks and when those risks go wrong, it isn't our fault we didn't obey
rules it is always someone else!!!!

Sign says it is dangerous to trespass, so we do it!! Railway Bye Laws
state that one isn't permitted to use the railway if under the
influence of drink, gosh I wish they would enforce this to protect
staff! But people go on the railway drunk or drugged up. Off the
railway, speed signs say that the speed limit is a set speed, many
exceed it. Speed cameras are put in, hell the fuss over them!

I just wish people in Britain would consider that life is a one time
thing, and why take risks with it? And if you do, don't blame others
for your own errors.

I'll get off my soap box now......just had a hell of a night clearing
up another fatality

Enjoy life and spend less time worrying about other peoples life and
the risks they take and those that lose their life through flouting
laid down warnings. The warnings aren't there to make life differcult,
but as a warning yu are putting your life in danger!!!!


Merry Christmas

Christine






On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:34:41 GMT, "the REAL Trevor McDonut"
wrote:


"Simon" wrote in message oups.com...
It's not as if it was a tragic accident
Perhaps his family have a different perspective

It's time to face reality - he played his game and lost.
No danger of the Christmas spirit here then

He was knowingly and willingly in the very
wrong place at a very wrong time.....and paid the price
And a happy and prosperous 2006 to you and yours


y'see, exactly what i'm on about. What has Christmas spirit got to do with this event ? Does it make any difference if this
happened in July ?

The guy was trespassing on a live railway and got hit by a train. He was 17 years old. He knew it was a) wrong and b) dangerous
but he still took that decision and got the consequences.

I feel very sorry for his family ( as mentioned ) but at the end of the day, he's an adult ( or as near to it in the eyes of the
law). Do i have to dress it up and pretend i have massive sympathy for HIM simply because it's Christmas ? HIS actions cost him
HIS life. Regardless of date, this guy was a bloody idiot. If your saying that in this week i have to say ' i feel so sorry for
him and maybe it wasn't his FAULT and he was only 17 ' for the sake of Christmas spirit but for the other 51 weeks of the year
it's ok to be truthful, then sorry, i don't buy that.

A happy and properous 2006 to you and yours. My they drive safe and keep of bust railway tracks

In message . com,
jonmorris writes

There's no justification for being on the tracks,

In the absence of other evidence, given their ages and the time of night
it was quite probably the age-old problem of missing the last train back
and trying to walk home down the tracks, rather too pickled to realise
that other non-stopping trains use the same route.

Sadly it happens very frequently - at least two such deaths on the line
at the end of my road (and another due to climbing over a nearby level
crossing barrier while too inebriated to think about oncoming trains).

--
Paul Terry