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Courtesy of the era of Victoria railway competition (and too much time
on my hands) I give you the list of the best non-interchange
interchanges in London. Here are some lesser known ways to change
between lines in the capital that aren't marked as interchanges on the
London Connections map or the Tube map as they involve a small(ish)
walk between stations. I've used some of them (and found them very
useful), with some I've just put
one and one together from some knwoledge of the area, some I've just
deduced from the A-Z

Thankfully some of the really close stations do now appear as
interchanges on maps, for example Clapham High Street (South London
Line) to Clapham North (Northern Line). But for those who are able
bodied, not carrying heavy luggage, a bit more adventurous and perhaps
have some idea of the timetable then there's time to be saved and
useful connections to be made, and possibly congested interchanges that
can be avoided. I've probably missed a few too,


National Rail stations are indicated with an NR after the station name.
(Names of lines are indicated in brackets after the station name.)



-------
Central
-------

London Bridge NR to Monument/Bank - walk over the river on London
Bridge.
The District and Circle at Monument are particularly close. Good route
for those heading East on the District and vice versa.

Moorgate to Liverpool Street NR
- for changing from the Northern Line and FCC's Great Northern Line.

St Pauls (Central Line) to City Thameslink NR.

Aldgate to Aldgate East
- for changing between the Circle, District, H&C and Met. Potentially
useful if one of the lines is up the spout.


-----
South
-----

Putney NR to East Putney (District Line Wimbledon Branch)

Battersea Park NR (Southern) to Queenstown Road Battersea NR (SWT)
- for changing from the South London Line (Victoria - London Bridge) to
SWT Windsor Line trains (to Clapham Junction, Richmond and beyond).

Penge West NR (Southern) to Penge East NR (Southeastern)

South Wimbledon (Northern Line) to Morden Road or Merton Park Tramlink
tram stops


-----
North
-----

Camden Town (Northern Line) to Camden Road NR (North London Line)

Kentish Town NR (Thameslink) to Kentish Town West NR (North London
Line)
- though most passengers would be better off changing at West
Hampstead.

Haringay Green Lanes NR (GOBLIN) to Manor House (Piccadilly Line)

South Tottenham (GOBLIN) to Seven Sisters (NR and Victoria Line)

Bowes Park NR (FCC Great Northern Line) to Bounds Green (Piccadilly
Line)

Alexandra Palace NR (FCC Great Northern Line) to Wood Green (Piccadilly
Line).


----------
North West
----------

Northwick Park (Metropolitan Line) to Kenton (Bakerloo Line and NR
Silverlink Metro Watford-Euston)

Kilburn (jubilee Line) to Brondesbury NR (North London Line)
- though for most journeys changing at West Hampstead would be more
convenient.

Swiss Cottage (Jubilee Line) to South Hampstead NR
- though for the journeys I can think of passengers would be better off
changing elsewhere.


----
West
----

Shepherd's Bush (Central Line) to Shepherd's Bush (Hammersmith and City
Line) or Goldhawk Road (H&C line).

Kensington Olympia NR to Shepherd's Bush (Central Line)

North Ealing (Picadilly Line) to West Acton (Central Line)



----
East
----

Whitechapel to Bethnal Green NR
- for changing from the East London Line to Enfield/Chingford Town
bound trains & vice versa.

Forest Gate NR ('one' Great Eastern line) to Wanstead Park NR (GOBLIN)
- for changing from the GOBLIN from points West to Great Eastern line
to points East or vice versa.

Walthamstow Central (NR 'one' Chingford Line & Victoria Line) to
Walthamstow Queens Road NR (GOBLIN)

Leytonstone High Road NR (GOBLIN) to Leytonstone (Central Line)


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Moorgate to Liverpool Street NR
- for changing from the Northern Line and FCC's Great Northern Line.


How easy is this to follow if you don't know the area? When there have been
problems on the Met at Liverpool Street/Aldgate I've found it difficult to
easily walk due to poor signage.

St Pauls (Central Line) to City Thameslink NR.


Isn't Chancery Lane closer to City Thameslink?

Camden Town (Northern Line) to Camden Road NR (North London Line)


Kentish Town NR (Thameslink) to Kentish Town West NR (North London
Line)
- though most passengers would be better off changing at West
Hampstead.


Haringay Green Lanes NR (GOBLIN) to Manor House (Piccadilly Line)


South Tottenham (GOBLIN) to Seven Sisters (NR and Victoria Line)


Quite a few examples of the mess on the North London Line and the GOBLIN.
The latter seems to have only one intermediate interchange - and that's a
relatively modern addition.

Is there any prospect of any of these being added to the maps and made valid
for interchanges? Orbirail will be messy given the limited interchanges with
a number of roots.

----
East
----


Whitechapel to Bethnal Green NR
- for changing from the East London Line to Enfield/Chingford Town
bound trains & vice versa.


Bethnal Green tube is even closer to the NR station isn't it?

Forest Gate NR ('one' Great Eastern line) to Wanstead Park NR (GOBLIN)
- for changing from the GOBLIN from points West to Great Eastern line
to points East or vice versa.


Indeed - so close they're on the same road. Just why isn't interchange
allowed between the two?

Leytonstone High Road NR (GOBLIN) to Leytonstone (Central Line)


Very close - the end of the High Road platform (although not the section
currently in use) is above the Central Line tracks. Could a passageway/ramp
be put in here?


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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Mizter T wrote:

Moorgate to Liverpool Street NR
- for changing from the Northern Line and FCC's Great Northern Line.


How easy is this to follow if you don't know the area? When there have been
problems on the Met at Liverpool Street/Aldgate I've found it difficult to
easily walk due to poor signage.


It's an easy change when you know the way. I'd walk through Finsbury
Circus or along South Place, Eldon Street and Liverpool Street. See
this map...
http://tinyurl.com/nfxt6


St Pauls (Central Line) to City Thameslink NR.


Isn't Chancery Lane closer to City Thameslink?


If you come out of City Thameslink at the Holborn Viaduct exit then I
think St Pauls just pips it. Of course you could head to one or the
other dependent on whether you were heading east or west.


Camden Town (Northern Line) to Camden Road NR (North London Line)


Kentish Town NR (Thameslink) to Kentish Town West NR (North London
Line)
- though most passengers would be better off changing at West
Hampstead.


Haringay Green Lanes NR (GOBLIN) to Manor House (Piccadilly Line)


South Tottenham (GOBLIN) to Seven Sisters (NR and Victoria Line)


Quite a few examples of the mess on the North London Line and the GOBLIN.
The latter seems to have only one intermediate interchange - and that's a
relatively modern addition.

Is there any prospect of any of these being added to the maps and made valid
for interchanges? Orbirail will be messy given the limited interchanges with
a number of roots.


Some of these do involve a short walk, which perhaps negates them being
called an interchange. I guess there's the clarity of the maps to
consider as well before slapping distant interchanges all over them.
But perhaps some could be indicated on line maps. One thing to say is
that TfL has funded a lot of improvements to street signage for
pedestrians near both Tube and NR stations as well as providing local
street map displays and local bus spider maps, all of which are very
welcome improvements IMO.


----
East
----


Whitechapel to Bethnal Green NR
- for changing from the East London Line to Enfield/Chingford Town
bound trains & vice versa.


Bethnal Green tube is even closer to the NR station isn't it?


Yes, perhaps I should've included that. I was thinking more of the
south-east to north-east link that changing here provides, it's a great
way to get from New Cross to Hackney, though if you're going further
north then you need to be on top of the train times. It also avoids
zone 1.


Forest Gate NR ('one' Great Eastern line) to Wanstead Park NR (GOBLIN)
- for changing from the GOBLIN from points West to Great Eastern line
to points East or vice versa.


Indeed - so close they're on the same road. Just why isn't interchange
allowed between the two?


Er, nothing bans you changing there, I've done it! If you mean why
isn't it on the maps, then that's a fair enough point.


Leytonstone High Road NR (GOBLIN) to Leytonstone (Central Line)


Very close - the end of the High Road platform (although not the section
currently in use) is above the Central Line tracks. Could a passageway/ramp
be put in here?


That's one I've never done. What you suggest is similar to the proposed
Walthamstow Central to Walthamstow Queens Road bridge as detailed he
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/69

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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:52:25 +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

South Tottenham (GOBLIN) to Seven Sisters (NR and Victoria Line)


Quite a few examples of the mess on the North London Line and the GOBLIN.
The latter seems to have only one intermediate interchange - and that's a
relatively modern addition.


ISTR reading that there used to be an interchange at Walthamstow, but
it was closed.

Whitechapel to Bethnal Green NR
- for changing from the East London Line to Enfield/Chingford Town
bound trains & vice versa.


Bethnal Green tube is even closer to the NR station isn't it?


Yes, but rather awkward to get to from the ELL...


There's also Hackney Downs to Hackney Central. Although not shown as
an interchange on maps, there are still tickets available that are
specifically routed via these two stations (e.g. Camden Road to
Liverpool Street); this is a hangover from when the through service
from the NLL to Liverpool Street ceased.
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asdf wrote:
(snip)
Whitechapel to Bethnal Green NR
- for changing from the East London Line to Enfield/Chingford Town
bound trains & vice versa.


Bethnal Green tube is even closer to the NR station isn't it?


Yes, but rather awkward to get to from the ELL...


Stupidly I hadn't really considered the idea of walking from
Whitechapel ELL to Bethnal Green Central Line. It's certainly further
than Bethnal Green NR station, but I'd say it's easy enough - just walk
north up Cambridge Heath Road.


There's also Hackney Downs to Hackney Central. Although not shown as
an interchange on maps, there are still tickets available that are
specifically routed via these two stations (e.g. Camden Road to
Liverpool Street); this is a hangover from when the through service
from the NLL to Liverpool Street ceased.



When I wrote my original post I wasn't thinking about through
ticketing, but that's an interesting new dimension. With Travelcards I
guess such tickets are becoming a forgotten backwater - but they could
possibly come in very handy for some.

And I'd straight forgotten about the useful Hackney Downs to Hackney
Central interchange, which perhaps should be on the maps.



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Mizter T wrote:

Forest Gate NR ('one' Great Eastern line) to Wanstead Park NR (GOBLIN)
- for changing from the GOBLIN from points West to Great Eastern line
to points East or vice versa.


Indeed - so close they're on the same road. Just why isn't interchange
allowed between the two?


Er, nothing bans you changing there, I've done it! If you mean why
isn't it on the maps, then that's a fair enough point.


Erm I actually meant why isn't it allowed on a through ticket. This isn't a
frivilous point as some c2c services do divert via to GOBLIN to run from
Liverpool Street to Barking etc. and vice versa.

Leytonstone High Road NR (GOBLIN) to Leytonstone (Central Line)


Very close - the end of the High Road platform (although not the section
currently in use) is above the Central Line tracks. Could a
passageway/ramp
be put in here?


That's one I've never done. What you suggest is similar to the proposed
Walthamstow Central to Walthamstow Queens Road bridge as detailed he
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/69


I can't access it at the moment. But generally I reckon that making the
Silverlink lines more interchange friendly - even if it's just a case of
allowing some of the close stations to have interchange on a through ticket
(e.g. Forest Gate & Wanstead Park) - would improve perimeter routes no end
and perhaps make it easier to get investment.

The Orbirail project at the moment seems to cross the following without
interchanging:

*The Ealing/Richmond branch of the District Line
*The Picadilly Line in the west
*The Hammersmith & City Line in the west
* NR into Paddington
*Chiltern Railways
*The Metropolitan Line - but how tricky would it be to reinstate services at
West Hampstead?
*The Edgware branch of the Northern Line
*The High Barnet branch of the Northern Line - could the Kentish Towns be
synced for interchange? I can't see additional pressure being added to
Camden Town.
*NR out of St Pancras
*NR out of King's Cross
*The Picadilly Line in the north
*NR out of Liverpool Street (unless Shoreditch High Street can work as an
interchange)
*The Central Line in the east
*NR out of Fenchuch Street
*NR services from South East London and Kent
*NR services from Norwood Junction and Cyrstal Palace - though the
interchange is obvious
*The Thameslink loop

Plus the GOBLIN lacks formal interchange with:

*The High Barnet branch of the Northern Line
*NR out of St Pancras
*NR out of King's Cross
*NR out of Moorgate
*The Picadilly Line in the north
*All the NR lines out of Liverpool Street via Bethnal Green
*The Central Line in the east - see my other post for a possible way to
build an interchange
* NR services from Stratford to Ilford



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Mizter T wrote:
North


Haringay Green Lanes NR (GOBLIN) to Manor House (Piccadilly Line)

South Tottenham (GOBLIN) to Seven Sisters (NR and Victoria Line)


Upper Holloway (goblin) - Archway (Northern Line).

About a 5 minute walk; seems to be a popular change.

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Mizter T wrote:
Courtesy of the era of Victoria railway competition (and too much time
on my hands) I give you the list of the best non-interchange
interchanges in London. Here are some lesser known ways to change
between lines in the capital that aren't marked as interchanges on the
London Connections map or the Tube map as they involve a small(ish)
walk between stations. I've used some of them (and found them very
useful), with some I've just put
one and one together from some knwoledge of the area, some I've just
deduced from the A-Z

Thankfully some of the really close stations do now appear as
interchanges on maps, for example Clapham High Street (South London
Line) to Clapham North (Northern Line). But for those who are able
bodied, not carrying heavy luggage, a bit more adventurous and perhaps
have some idea of the timetable then there's time to be saved and
useful connections to be made, and possibly congested interchanges that
can be avoided. I've probably missed a few too,


National Rail stations are indicated with an NR after the station name.
(Names of lines are indicated in brackets after the station name.)



-------
Central
-------

London Bridge NR to Monument/Bank - walk over the river on London
Bridge.
The District and Circle at Monument are particularly close. Good route
for those heading East on the District and vice versa.

Moorgate to Liverpool Street NR
- for changing from the Northern Line and FCC's Great Northern Line.

St Pauls (Central Line) to City Thameslink NR.

Aldgate to Aldgate East
- for changing between the Circle, District, H&C and Met. Potentially
useful if one of the lines is up the spout.



Cannon Street (NR and LU) is nearer to Bank than Monument is. Much
easier from South East to go along the Central Line than going North
from Charing Cross and changing again. Probably as near as Charing
Cross (NR) to Charing Cross Bakerloo.

Great Portland Street to Regent Street, similarly close.




-----
South
-----

Putney NR to East Putney (District Line Wimbledon Branch)

Battersea Park NR (Southern) to Queenstown Road Battersea NR (SWT)
- for changing from the South London Line (Victoria - London Bridge) to
SWT Windsor Line trains (to Clapham Junction, Richmond and beyond).

Penge West NR (Southern) to Penge East NR (Southeastern)

South Wimbledon (Northern Line) to Morden Road or Merton Park Tramlink
tram stops


-----
North
-----

Camden Town (Northern Line) to Camden Road NR (North London Line)

Kentish Town NR (Thameslink) to Kentish Town West NR (North London
Line)
- though most passengers would be better off changing at West
Hampstead.

Haringay Green Lanes NR (GOBLIN) to Manor House (Piccadilly Line)

South Tottenham (GOBLIN) to Seven Sisters (NR and Victoria Line)

Bowes Park NR (FCC Great Northern Line) to Bounds Green (Piccadilly
Line)

Alexandra Palace NR (FCC Great Northern Line) to Wood Green (Piccadilly
Line).


----------
North West
----------

Northwick Park (Metropolitan Line) to Kenton (Bakerloo Line and NR
Silverlink Metro Watford-Euston)

Kilburn (jubilee Line) to Brondesbury NR (North London Line)
- though for most journeys changing at West Hampstead would be more
convenient.

Swiss Cottage (Jubilee Line) to South Hampstead NR
- though for the journeys I can think of passengers would be better off
changing elsewhere.


----
West
----

Shepherd's Bush (Central Line) to Shepherd's Bush (Hammersmith and City
Line) or Goldhawk Road (H&C line).

Kensington Olympia NR to Shepherd's Bush (Central Line)

North Ealing (Picadilly Line) to West Acton (Central Line)



I think Hanger Lane (Central Line) to Park Royal (Piccadilly Line).





----
East
----

Whitechapel to Bethnal Green NR
- for changing from the East London Line to Enfield/Chingford Town
bound trains & vice versa.

Forest Gate NR ('one' Great Eastern line) to Wanstead Park NR (GOBLIN)
- for changing from the GOBLIN from points West to Great Eastern line
to points East or vice versa.

Walthamstow Central (NR 'one' Chingford Line & Victoria Line) to
Walthamstow Queens Road NR (GOBLIN)

Leytonstone High Road NR (GOBLIN) to Leytonstone (Central Line)


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MIG wrote:

Great Portland Street to Regent Street, similarly close.

It is Regent's Park. Marylebone Road/Euston Road needs some subway
station rationalization. There are so many missed interchange
opportunities.

One interchange that was, and maybe yet to come back is Primrose Hill
and Chalk Farm. In fact they were so close it is a wonder they were
never made into and interchange.

Adrian.

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