"Timothy Baldwin" wrote in message
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In message , Peter Frimberley
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On 12 Sep 2006 09:29:06 -0700, "Neil Williams"
wrote:

??? No they're not. Paris, Stockholm, Budapest, New York, Sydney,
Singapore, Hong Kong, Bangkok- the metro systems in these and many
many other cities - in fact I'd go so far as to say most cities of the
world - have barriers.

Brussels and Berlin don't have barriers.

I don't think that any German system does.

And Oslo and Copenhagen don't either, I don't think that Helsinki
did, but Stockholm does.

tim

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:05:39 +0100, "tim\(yet another new home\)"
wrote:


"Timothy Baldwin" wrote in message
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Brussels and Berlin don't have barriers.

I don't think that any German system does.

Nope, too honest!

And Oslo and Copenhagen don't either, I don't think that Helsinki
did, but Stockholm does.

Helsinki doesn't.

Err, Rennes doesn't either. So unlike the metropolis (Paris) which can
have barriers inside barriers - RATP to RER.
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In article .com,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

Visa Delta is a nicer system as such a debit card can be processed
by the same mechanism as a credit card, so theoretically should be more
widely accepted, though some of Western Europe is an issue.

Except that many don't have PINs issued (for lack of sufficient credit,
e.g. no overdraft facility. They cannot be used in railway ticket
machines since February IME.

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In article . com,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

tim(yet another new home) wrote:

And how will Oyster do network card (or any other railcard)
discounts.

I would expect that it won't. What we're most likely to see, I
reckon, is a German-style joint tariff in which TfL sets fares and
"national rail" type offers won't be valid.

Why? I get Network Card discounts on tickets from Cambridge that include
Underground travel, day Travelcards and tickets to Underground zones.

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Neil Williams wrote:

Kev wrote:

Yes, great if you have Oyster. Why don't they just put signs up at
Heathrow and on the boundary of London saying **** off if you are a low
life visitor we don't want you in London.

Quite.

If Ken wants to implement a tourist tax, that's what he should do.
Such a thing would be added to hotel bills and fully transparent, just
like it is here in the Hague where I'm staying at the moment (it's
about EUR 2 a night).

Ahh but a tourist tax wouldn't make money out of people travelling from
North of London to South of London without stopping in London. IIRC a
cross london train ticket has the cash single fare added to it (ie £4)
but it isn't possible to buy a train ticket from, eg, Bedford to
Southampton and do the London bit on Oyster. Maybe TOCs should offer a
train ticket that includes travel to a London Terminal and then from
another, allowing the Passenger to pay the cheaper cross London transfer

On 23 Sep 2006 17:18:59 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:

Ahh but a tourist tax wouldn't make money out of people travelling from
North of London to South of London without stopping in London. IIRC a
cross london train ticket has the cash single fare added to it (ie £4)
but it isn't possible to buy a train ticket from, eg, Bedford to
Southampton and do the London bit on Oyster.

Not based on the single fares; Bedford to London Terminals is £15.90;
London Terminals to Southampton is £25.30; Bedford to Southampton is
£29.30.

Maybe, under the Rail Settlement Plan, the TOC that sells the ticket
gives LUL £3; but if the amount transferred was £1.50, do you really
think your Bedford-Southampton ticket would cost £1.50 less?

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James Farrar wrote:
On 23 Sep 2006 17:18:59 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:

Ahh but a tourist tax wouldn't make money out of people travelling from
North of London to South of London without stopping in London. IIRC a
cross london train ticket has the cash single fare added to it (ie £4)
but it isn't possible to buy a train ticket from, eg, Bedford to
Southampton and do the London bit on Oyster.

Not based on the single fares; Bedford to London Terminals is £15.90;
London Terminals to Southampton is £25.30; Bedford to Southampton is
£29.30.

Maybe, under the Rail Settlement Plan, the TOC that sells the ticket
gives LUL £3; but if the amount transferred was £1.50, do you really
think your Bedford-Southampton ticket would cost £1.50 less?

Sorry, bad example... A, less long distance, better example is Rugby
to Clapham Junction. Going via Ken Olympia to Clapham Junction is a
lot cheaper than going by tube from Euston to Vauxhall then train. The
price difference wasn't so great four years ago

"Chris!" wrote in message
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Ahh but a tourist tax wouldn't make money out of people travelling from
North of London to South of London without stopping in London. IIRC a
cross london train ticket has the cash single fare added to it (ie £4)

I are fairly sure that the rule is, a cross london journey has the
underground part added for free. But a Zone 1 ticket does have the
cash fare added. If your Z1 destination is another rail station it
is usually cheaper to buy a ticket to the first stop from that station.

tim

On 23 Sep 2006 18:04:36 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:


James Farrar wrote:
On 23 Sep 2006 17:18:59 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:

Ahh but a tourist tax wouldn't make money out of people travelling from
North of London to South of London without stopping in London. IIRC a
cross london train ticket has the cash single fare added to it (ie £4)
but it isn't possible to buy a train ticket from, eg, Bedford to
Southampton and do the London bit on Oyster.

Not based on the single fares; Bedford to London Terminals is £15.90;
London Terminals to Southampton is £25.30; Bedford to Southampton is
£29.30.

Maybe, under the Rail Settlement Plan, the TOC that sells the ticket
gives LUL £3; but if the amount transferred was £1.50, do you really
think your Bedford-Southampton ticket would cost £1.50 less?

Sorry, bad example... A, less long distance, better example is Rugby
to Clapham Junction. Going via Ken Olympia to Clapham Junction is a
lot cheaper than going by tube from Euston to Vauxhall then train. The
price difference wasn't so great four years ago

Apparently Rugby to Kenny O costs the same as Rugby to Clapham
Junction.

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. @gmail.com

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:49:27 +0100, James Farrar
wrote:

On 23 Sep 2006 18:04:36 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:


James Farrar wrote:
On 23 Sep 2006 17:18:59 -0700, "Chris!" wrote:

Ahh but a tourist tax wouldn't make money out of people travelling from
North of London to South of London without stopping in London. IIRC a
cross london train ticket has the cash single fare added to it (ie £4)
but it isn't possible to buy a train ticket from, eg, Bedford to
Southampton and do the London bit on Oyster.

Not based on the single fares; Bedford to London Terminals is £15.90;
London Terminals to Southampton is £25.30; Bedford to Southampton is
£29.30.

Maybe, under the Rail Settlement Plan, the TOC that sells the ticket
gives LUL £3; but if the amount transferred was £1.50, do you really
think your Bedford-Southampton ticket would cost £1.50 less?

Sorry, bad example... A, less long distance, better example is Rugby
to Clapham Junction. Going via Ken Olympia to Clapham Junction is a
lot cheaper than going by tube from Euston to Vauxhall then train. The
price difference wasn't so great four years ago

Apparently Rugby to Kenny O costs the same as Rugby to Clapham
Junction.

Oh, hang on, I mis-read that... Rugby to Euston costs *more* than
Rugby to Clapham Junction (not London).

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