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In message , at 17:27:09 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.


How?


You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.
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Roland Perry


And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?



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Bruce Varney wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:27:09 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?
That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.
How?

You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.
--
Roland Perry


And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?



But do you seriously believe that the entire population of the UK would
continue to behave as normal, civilised people after all the
infrastructure has been destroyed beyond recognition. Mob rule etc
would be the order of the day. The best thing to hope for is that you
are at "ground zero" when things go seriously wrong
--
Bruce Fletcher
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Roland Perry wrote:

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on Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Tom Anderson remarked:

I'd be more concerned about the points, though. Signals may not exactly be
required, but they are there for a reason.


There's no particular reason why they would be left pointing into a
siding, but even if they were I'm sure the train crew would have a way
to shift them back to the through line.


True, but in the case we're talking about, they might well be left
pointing at Uxbridge!

tom

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In message , at 23:46:07 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.


And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?


Trains have keys? Where do they fit - in the side of the steering
column?
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Roland Perry


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In message , at 00:10:10 on Sun, 25 Feb
2007, Bruce Fletcher remarked:
But do you seriously believe that the entire population of the UK would
continue to behave as normal, civilised people after all the
infrastructure has been destroyed beyond recognition.


People keep trying to deflect the scenario to one of total destruction.
That's not the situation I had in mind. Nor did I expect a transition
from normal to chaos in half an hour.
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01:06:38 on Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Tom Anderson
remarked:
There's no particular reason why they would be left pointing into a
siding, but even if they were I'm sure the train crew would have a way
to shift them back to the through line.


True, but in the case we're talking about, they might well be left
pointing at Uxbridge!


That's where I'd want them to be pointing. Direction of M4 and/or
Northolt and/or connections to National Rail lines to the west.
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"Bruce Varney" wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:27:09 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

How?


You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.
--
Roland Perry


And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?



Get Harry or Wills to hot-wire the ignition? (They must have learnt
something at Eton!)

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 23:46:07 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.


And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?


Trains have keys? Where do they fit - in the side of the steering column?


Yes, believe it or not underground trains need a key or keys to get them
moving, in fact so do most of the mainline trains as well. Up until the
Central Line stock two keys are needed, a control key to turn the train on,
so to speak, and a selector key which allows the train operator to select
which way the train will go.

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Roland Perry



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In message , at 10:30:28 on
Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?


Trains have keys? Where do they fit - in the side of the steering column?


Yes, believe it or not underground trains need a key or keys to get them
moving, in fact so do most of the mainline trains as well. Up until the
Central Line stock two keys are needed, a control key to turn the train on,
so to speak, and a selector key which allows the train operator to select
which way the train will go.


And these keys are different for each train? Maybe so, but I'd always
thought they were one key that fitted all of them. Isn't it a bit
inconvenient to have a different key for each train if you are reversing
tube trains using the "stepping back" principle (that's where one driver
gets in the far cab and drives the train straight off, while the
original driver walks down the platform to be ready for the next one).
--
Roland Perry


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