On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:40:09 +0000, steveb wrote:
I believe the hamsters are shortly to be replaced by a selection of those
1.7M humans who signed the internet petition against road pricing thus
daring to defy the mighty (and all seeing) Bliar

He can pay for my flight back to Blighty, then. Preferably not in hamster
class.

In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?


There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings. However
to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these tunnels
and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are two
runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens Floght
assuming the latter still exists.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:20:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?


There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings. However
to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these tunnels
and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

The Victoria Line passes under Buck House. I have heard stories of
there being an access for mergencies.

As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are two
runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens Floght
assuming the latter still exists.

The Broad Walk in Kensington Gardens is the obvious one.

"Christopher A.Lee" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:20:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just
claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?


There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings.
However
to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these
tunnels
and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

The Victoria Line passes under Buck House. I have heard stories of
there being an access for mergencies.

Having been around when the Victoria line was being built I remember the
discussions in the Press of the time. The story was that the direct route
under Buck House was turned down and the line actually makes a big (and
expensive) curve around it. Phil is alleged to have said, " I'm not having
their bloody trains run under my house, thank you!"

Bill




As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are
two
runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens
Floght
assuming the latter still exists.

The Broad Walk in Kensington Gardens is the obvious one.

On 21 Feb, 18:22, "Bill Again" wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" wrote in message

...



On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:20:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just
claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?

There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings.
However
to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these
tunnels
and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

The Victoria Line passes under Buck House. I have heard stories of
there being an access for mergencies.

Having been around when the Victoria line was being built I remember the
discussions in the Press of the time. The story was that the direct route
under Buck House was turned down and the line actually makes a big (and
expensive) curve around it. Phil is alleged to have said, " I'm not having
their bloody trains run under my house, thank you!"

Bill


Ha! A quite believable story.

However I wonder whether it is true. If you take a look at the
Victoria line's route as marked on the central London bus map then it
is shown as passing under the Buck House garden but not the building
itself - this makes sense as the line needs to turn so as to be
aligned to run southeast from Victoria station towards Pimlico and
Vauxhall.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf

Of course this alignment may have been chosen to specifically avoid
running under the palace (or the map could be wrong!). However, taking
a look at a street map, even if the options were to take a direct
route under the western corner of the building and taking a deviating
course to avoid the palace, the deviation would not need to be "a big
(and expensive) curve around it [the palace]" but a slight kink.


As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are
two
runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens
Floght
assuming the latter still exists.

The Broad Walk in Kensington Gardens is the obvious one.

I wonder if that's one of the two that Christopher has in mind -
perhaps he might share his thoughts with us...

On Feb 21, 7:39 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:
On 21 Feb, 18:22, "Bill Again" wrote:





"Christopher A.Lee" wrote in message

.. .

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:20:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just
claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?

There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings.
However
to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these
tunnels
and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

The Victoria Line passes under Buck House. I have heard stories of
there being an access for mergencies.

Having been around when the Victoria line was being built I remember the
discussions in the Press of the time. The story was that the direct route
under Buck House was turned down and the line actually makes a big (and
expensive) curve around it. Phil is alleged to have said, " I'm not having
their bloody trains run under my house, thank you!"

Bill

Ha! A quite believable story.

However I wonder whether it is true. If you take a look at the
Victoria line's route as marked on the central London bus map then it
is shown as passing under the Buck House garden but not the building
itself - this makes sense as the line needs to turn so as to be
aligned to run southeast from Victoria station towards Pimlico and
Vauxhall.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf



I think the alignments in the bus maps bear little relation to the
geography. They are just showing that an Underground line links the
places. Look how they've drawn the Bakerloo, which we know exactly
follows all the kinks of Haymarket and Regent Street.

I've got no opinion on where the Victoria line goes though.

On 21 Feb, 19:39, "Mizter T" wrote:
On 21 Feb, 18:22, "Bill Again" wrote:

"Christopher A.Lee" wrote in message
.. .

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:20:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

(snip)

As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are
two
runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens
Floght
assuming the latter still exists.

The Broad Walk in Kensington Gardens is the obvious one.

I wonder if that's one of the two that Christopher has in mind -
perhaps he might share his thoughts with us...


I should of course have addressed that question towards Graeme, not
Christopher, as it was he who posed the notion that there are two
central London runways already.

In article . com,
Mizter T writes
However I wonder whether it is true. If you take a look at the
Victoria line's route as marked on the central London bus map

That is not an accurate map of tube lines.

I happen to possess a map which claims to show tube line routes under
the streets; this is accurate for every place I've been able to check
separately.

It shows the line running almost exactly southwards (but actually in a
very shallow curve) - and so diagonally across the street pattern - to
Green Park station, crossing Piccadilly at the intersection with
Berkeley Street. Continuing the curve, it crosses The Queen's Walk and
runs round to reach the Mall where it narrows just east of the Queen
Victoria Memorial. It then makes a sharp right turn to run just east of
the first bit of Buckingham Gate, crosses Birdcage Walk, and takes
almost a straight line to the northwest corner of Victoria station,
running under Stag Place among other things. There is a door on the
north side of Palace Street showing where it crosses that.

From Victoria the line takes a wide sweep round to the left, crossing
Belgrave Road at Hugh Street, running under Eccleston Square, crossing
Belgrave Road again at Charlwood Street, then turns slightly right to
run under Tachbrook Street and then left again into Pimlico station on
the north side of Bessborough Street. It then crosses the river just
upstream of Vauxhall Bridge.

This pattern of turns ought to be confirmable to anyone who rides the
train.

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In message
Christopher A.Lee wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:20:51 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just
claimed there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham
Palace and various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?


There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings.
However to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these
tunnels and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and
made 5.

The Victoria Line passes under Buck House. I have heard stories of there
being an access for mergencies.

Not as far as I know, but then anything is possible.


As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are
two runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens
Floght assuming the latter still exists.

The Broad Walk in Kensington Gardens is the obvious one.

But not one of the 'official' ones. (for some value of official).
Irrelevant now as I believe helos are the preferred option now,

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On Feb 21, 5:20 pm, Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
"Brian Watson" wrote:

A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?

There are certainly tunnels connecting a large number of sites in Central
London but none of the maps I have access to show them connecting to Buck
House. Some of them are PO (now BT) cable tunnels and others connect the
various government 'citadels' under the various ministry buildings. However
to the best of my knowledge non are equipped with rails.

The usual source of these stories is that someone has heard of these tunnels
and also of the Post Office railway and put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

As to the story of evacuating the Royal Family in an emergency there are two
runways in Central London capable of taking an aircraft of the Queens Floght
assuming the latter still exists.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

What's the other one out of interest? Though wouldn't landing a couple
of helicopters on the lawns of Buck House be just as effective?

Neill