On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the automatic
gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle if they didn't!
I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff whta you are doing.

Thanks, much appreciated.

I went to use the staffed gate on my way out at Bexley and was just
waved through without needing to explain anything.

When I returned to the station, I again approached the member of staff
and this time explained what I had done. He suggested trying my ticket
in the gates as they wouldn't swallow it up in this direction so then I
could find out if it worked. Sure enough, the gates opened fine.

Of course, on the way out of the station is another matter - I don't
think I'd like to chance that, as you say!

Oh well, it's all been very useful to know for the future (as well as
this afternoon), anyway.

Paul

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.

Thanks, much appreciated.

I went to use the staffed gate on my way out at Bexley and was just
waved through without needing to explain anything.

When I returned to the station, I again approached the member of
staff and this time explained what I had done. He suggested trying my
ticket in the gates as they wouldn't swallow it up in this direction so

then I could find out if it worked. Sure enough, the gates opened fine.

Of course, on the way out of the station is another matter - I don't
think I'd like to chance that, as you say!

Oh well, it's all been very useful to know for the future (as well
as this afternoon), anyway.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an 'out of
station interchange' with Putney NR?

Paul

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of
hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell
the staff what you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

But where could I go on a Zones 1 and 2 ticket via Putney? Both stations
are in both zones 2 and 3.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of
hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell
the staff what you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

But where could I go on a Zones 1 and 2 ticket via Putney? Both
stations are in both zones 2 and 3.

Wandsworth Town (Zone 2), for example. And many other stations in zones
1 & 2 via Clapham Junction, though in practice the route via East Putney
would not be the best.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads
of hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and
tell the staff what you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.

No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

But where could I go on a Zones 1 and 2 ticket via Putney? Both
stations are in both zones 2 and 3.

Wandsworth Town (Zone 2), for example. And many other stations in
zones 1 & 2 via Clapham Junction, though in practice the route via
East Putney would not be the best.

I assumed they would be doubling back and therefore not permitted. Also,
the ticket is not valid to non-LUL stations. There is a fare from
Cambridge to Putney but it costs more which is why i never use it.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an 'out of
station interchange' with Putney NR?

Paul

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

On 19 May 2007 13:28:09 -0700, Paul Weaver wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:
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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that the
automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of hassle
if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and tell the staff
whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get taken by
the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but when I asked here
it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an 'out of
station interchange' with Putney NR?

It wouldn't be an OSI because LU fares do not apply to the line from
Waterloo to Putney or beyond. If it was a permitted inter operator
interchange then the tickets would deal with the validity issues - the
gates do not need to be an OSI to deal with that. This is why zonally
priced NR tickets are still issued to named destination stations rather
than by fare value (as LU does).

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Is the correct answer! NR issued tickets regardless of destination are
always given back at LU gatelines. Different practices obviously
operate at NR gatelines depending on the ticketing rules that apply to
each destination.
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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume that
the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be loads of
hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate anyway and
tell the staff whta you are doing.


My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't get
taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not but
when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as an
'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

It wouldn't be an OSI because LU fares do not apply to the line from
Waterloo to Putney or beyond. If it was a permitted inter operator
interchange then the tickets would deal with the validity issues - the
gates do not need to be an OSI to deal with that. This is why zonally
priced NR tickets are still issued to named destination stations
rather than by fare value (as LU does).

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Is the correct answer! NR issued tickets regardless of destination
are always given back at LU gatelines. Different practices obviously
operate at NR gatelines depending on the ticketing rules that apply to
each destination.

Surely it has to be this way! The ticket remains the property of the
issuing company, so if LU take NR tickets, they are effectively taking
what is not theirs to take.

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On 19 May 2007 13:28:09 -0700, Paul Weaver
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Paul Scott wrote:
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(Paul Speller) wrote:

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:33:54 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

Yes it is permitted, but its probaby best not to assume
that the automatic gates will return the ticket, there'd be
loads of hassle if they didn't! I'd use the staffed gate
anyway and tell the staff whta you are doing.

My Cambridge-Zones 1 & 2 saver return outward portions don't
get taken by the gates at East Putney. It's hard to see why not
but when I asked here it was confirmed as expected behaviour.


No mystery, isn't it simply because East Putney LU is gated as
an 'out of station interchange' with Putney NR?

It wouldn't be an OSI because LU fares do not apply to the line
from Waterloo to Putney or beyond. If it was a permitted inter
operator interchange then the tickets would deal with the validity
issues - the gates do not need to be an OSI to deal with that.
This is why zonally priced NR tickets are still issued to named
destination stations rather than by fare value (as LU does).

I understand that LU don't remove NR tickets at all

Is the correct answer! NR issued tickets regardless of
destination are always given back at LU gatelines. Different
practices obviously operate at NR gatelines depending on the
ticketing rules that apply to each destination.

Surely it has to be this way! The ticket remains the property of
the issuing company, so if LU take NR tickets, they are effectively
taking what is not theirs to take.

That wouldn't stop them taking it and returning it to the issuing company,
surely? Anyway, if I buy a ticket from Cambridge to Putney, I'm sure SWT
are happy to take it. I expect FCC will take my Cambridge tickets when
the Kings Cross barriers finally go in. They will have been sold to me by
'one'.

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Colin Rosenstiel